https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGKOiQGeO-k

I like TB's videos but when it comes to paying for mods I am strongly against this idea for a number of reasons.

1. More copy right nonsense. One of the best things about mods is that they allow people to make things without worrying about CR (Copy Right) “most of the time.”

Mods are kind of like fan art projects. No one is going to go to court because their kid drew a picture of Mario and so it should be with mods as well.
I feel that once you start charging for mods you’ll also restrict what is and is not legally allowed.

2. More monopolising and Steam dominance. TB has touched up on this in his video but I want to go a little more into. I’m not completely against the idea if paying for mods, but I am against the idea of it being done through Steam. What if you don't use Steam. What if you bought your game through GOG will I have to start paying for mods for Unreal Tournament and get it on Steam to boot because I got on GOG instead.

3. Modding is something you know you won’t get paid for. Modding is a good way to get a job in the industry and show what you can do. However, no company is going to through any kind of money at you until they see what it is you can do. Some times you have to work for free before you can be paid.

4. Quality assurance, we have enough problems with early access and kick starter; charging for mods could escalate things and make everything worse. How are you to if the mod works.

5. If it’s always been free it should stay free. TB said that just because something has been free for years doesn’t mean remain free. I disagree. When making mods you know you won’t get paid for it. TB used youtube videos as an example. Fair enough but it’s not like I have to pay a dollar every time I watch a TB video. He gets sponsored, but I don’t actually have to pay to watch his videos.

When something has bee free for years people don't like being told to suddenly pay money for it. Think of public restrooms or being charged to simply walk into a shopping center. Also bare in mind that there are a lot of jobs people do every day without being paid. Such as house hold chores.

In short modding has been free to for a long time. For people to start charging for it as if it was a product now.

7. I do agree with TB that Patrion or an optional donation system would be pretty good. Something asked but not forced.

8. Remember this is simply my opinion, feel free to disagree all you wish.

the real uptick to this whole test in monetizing mods Steam is stirring up all the anthills with is that no one has mentioned #gamergate in a couple days.

it's been nice.

edit: I added a hashtag, you happy now?

gamersgate is just s digital distributer.

As protest to the approach of Valve regarding paying for MODS I intend to take my business else where from now on.
Also like to see the Witcher devs get more money for what promises to be a great game.

So I look at the preorder option on steam and decide I want to visit the developer website and see if I can buy from them direct. I click on the link to the devs website on the preorder page and to my surprise It take me to the steam store main page and Not CDPROJEKTRED

I then went on to the witcher2 page and that link worked I find it rather odd that all of a sudden the link to the devs site on steam store page no longer works .If I was CDPROJEKTRED I would get on to Valve asap about this.I am sure there are many other customers who would rather support the devs and go to click this link and get sent to steam store front instead .

Thanks

He seems a bit too scared not to get someone butthurt - or there's more at work. He supports the core of the system, yet complains about people downvoting him as 'he is really against the system'. Just funny.

TB lost me on this review but then again he has to get inline with this. After all he makes money from just talking about other people products so he cant be seen to tell other people they should not make money from there work.
Option to donate Yes pay wall no ,TB lost the plot on this

3. Modding is something you know you won’t get paid for.

I disagree with this as it is happening now,if this kicks in there will be (no such thing as a free mod).

I have done a lot of personal modding,and I can tell you it's a long process to get something
done.Modding Skyrim is extremely time consuming,so this had to happen.
Don't get me wrong,I detest what Steam has done and they are dead in the water as far as I'm
concerned...

Yes that is all true but you know going into this that modding would not pay you. As for Skyrim is there something wrong it it? I mean it seems that the only reason people get Skyrim is to mod it rather then play it. Mods are awesome but I've never heard a game being so extensively modded or something. Makes me think the default game must be broken or something. Yeah he is defiantly being wishy washy here.

The biggest problem with all of this is that most people don't actually understand what the real problems with this are. :P

Not wanting to pay, not valuing someone's time and effort, not valuing the field they're in, clinging to the past - these are all popular opinions but invalid arguments ya know.

"I don't want to pay for mods. Therefore, charging for mods should be illegal or strongly frowny faced upon." - The basic argument. The rest that follow like the "75% OMG!" gripe are pseudo-defenses pretending to be protecting the modders basic rights (or something) by the same people who are trying to prevent them from being able to sell them in the first place. You vote it 1 star, harass them, tell them they're scum for not giving it out for free, then say they should be making more for their work if they make anything at all. THAT type of crap is a problem. You're doing that logical fallacy thingy where you're drawing strawmen conclusions. For example: "We legalize driving cars and then what's next? Tanks for everyone? The world will be destroyed. It's absurdity!" You should instead compare it with like-things that take time and effort/skill. A bridge toll or a subscription service is more in line with being charged for walking into stores than modding, doing an art commission, or being a mime.

If you disagree with paid mods then that's fine. People hated paying for TV too when analog was being shut down. I just suggest that you really step back and think about the whole situation. It's not all bad and suggesting that it is is juvenile. But it's also far from perfect.

Godforbid a donation option existing so all PC gamers world wide can download the mods for free whenever they want to or have the option to donate money whenever they want to right?

I mean open source software doesn't exist on donations or just plain being free right? It is locked behind a pay wall yes?

Oh and if you are forgetting that we live in the United States.

In some states we can legally purchase tanks and military jets as long as they do not have missles and explosives.

Arnold Schwarzenegger owns a damn tank and he lives in California which has very bad laws.

Broken as in unplayable? No, Skyrim is playable and beatable.

It's just it has so many bugs I can't even fathom what the original Developers did. Bunch of retards. I mean, bugs are fine, we all see it all the time, but so many bugs unfixed despite the game's selling like hot cakes every sales... unacceptable. Stupid Bethesda.

And then it comes to modders to fix those bugs. I could write a big list of mods that make things much easier and fix Bethesda's errors.

I believe we need to pave the entire front page of GOG discussion boards by stuff that's happening over on Steam.

Yes, people should not keep on expecting others to work for free.

On the other hand mods is thriving for decades being free, before greed steps in.

Now modder has become a dirty word for glorified third party DLC seller. If they don't advertise modding as something good and to support modders hard work, but as a thrid party DLC developers then I suspect the backlash will be smaller and the anger will be focus on valve and Bethesda.

Modders in the past is respected because they know they are working for free and give free mods, Charging for mods now make people feel betrayed that they respected or god forbid, donated to the modders in the past.

So third party DLC developers should drop their honorific of modder and stop any pretense that they are modders, then there will be a smaller backlash against modders.

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Oh you want to read some more, so

Why people cannot view this micro transaction or paid mods as something optional? Like you don't need to buy a sticker for your car or drinks when you eat out or ribbon to go with your dress?

I think like free to play micro transaction, the game is making people emotionally invested into the game, that if I don't buy this item / DLC I will feel missed out and my experience is incomplete. Even though people dislike it, they feel compelled to purchase it to "complete" their experience. And of course they will make noise about it.

The same thing happen with mods. After getting used to it and suddenly it is put behind a pay wall, they feel upset because they are already emotional invested into it. Of course people are not entitled to others work for it, but it does not makes them feel any better.

If people know this will happen, like crusader 2 with its $200 DLC, people can just go "darn it, I will not even buy and play the based game." For people who already played crusader 2 and emotionally invested in it, it is hard for them to pull out.

I think a huge number will not buy and play skyrim if they know they have to fork out so much to have the best experience with the game.

It is easy for me to say this and remain somewhat objective, because I never fire up Skyrim from my library, so I am not at all emotionally invested it it. If I ever enjoyed Skyrim, I would probably goes warrrrrbrrrrraaaaaarageeeee like a lot of people. I am sure I would not like my experience suddenly diminished unless I pay even more than the base game again.

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What! You have not enough of the wall of text?

Why Dota 2 paid mods works while Skyrim paid mods failed?

Because Dota 2 paid mods is ACTUALLY MODS WITH DONATION BUTTONS.

mods in Dota 2 is purely cosmetic, it will not affect game play, hence people buy skins because they want to support the devs / modders, they don't feel like a wallet waking on two legs. It is quite similar to a donation when whether people pay or not will not affect their game experience, just make their characters shinier.

Skyrim is already a paid game versus free Dota 2. Skyrim already have DLC to be paid to improve the user game experience while Dota 2 improve user game experience for free. It can be said Skyrim sucks by itself, people need mods to get a good experience out of it.

In short, Dota 2 generate much good will from Free, Free, Optional Donation business model, and Skyrim employ buisness model of Pay, Pay, Pay more in terms of base game, DLC, and mods.

How can it not fail.

-1 for the double thread that is completely unnecessary.

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