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StarChan: It's the sign of the troll.

Don't let him get under your skin. The real mods would be just too happy to close this thread.
It's actually the sign of the shrug... meaning indifferent. But whatever. Don't let facts matter.

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Post edited October 04, 2020 by GameN16bit
Oh, crap.... Thanks a lot for the info and link, adamhm. :/
No confusion, the games will have DRM:
No, the launcher is still necessary as these games have DRM. It means that, if you already have the Epic launcher installed, you can install the game without leaving the GOG GALAXY app. Otherwise when you were to install the game, it will ask you to install the launcher.
https://old.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/j35rry/new_store_inside_gog_galaxy_launches_in_test_phase/g7aevm9
Post edited October 03, 2020 by LEMON CURRY?
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mike10019314: Im thinking about canceling my order for Cyberpunk 2077 and getting it again on steam, I don't think i can support GOG if its backing Epic
Yeah, I was actually looking at preordering Cyberpunk 2077 and buying the rest of the CDPR catalog that I don't own as a congratulations to CDPR and a thank you for the work that they do on GOG. This partnership with Epic has possibly changed my plans though.
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Not sure why I would buy games from the Epic store through Galaxy. First I'd need an account on that website anyway. Why not buy it right there?
The main problem (in my eyes) is the fragmentation of the market.
You want the new FIFA? Go to Origin or Steam but in that case you need to connect to Origin anyways. You want recent UbiSoft games? Go to UPlay or buy it on Steam/Epic and still need to connect to their platform. It's baffling how people are okay with this.
There simply is no central platform and Galaxy will not fix this as long as you still need extra accounts and DRM. Furthermore it's kinda funny to see GOG push this since they were the self-described antithesis to other competitors in past times.

Yikes.
Post edited October 03, 2020 by Wurzelkraft
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Why is a GOG moderator defending DRM?
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StarChan: It's the sign of the troll.

Don't let him get under your skin. The real mods would be just too happy to close this thread.
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GameN16bit: It's actually the sign of the shrug... meaning indifferent. But whatever. Don't let facts matter.
A shrug is a sign of apathy. Apathy means you don't care.
Do you care about games being DRM-free?

Also, if you feel up to it, entirely voluntary, I would like to ask your opinion about the issue of DRM'd EGS games not coming to GOG because they can already access the GOG userbase through Galaxy.
How do you feel about that?
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GameN16bit: I didn't say GOG didn't have a hand in the sale, I said they aren't sold directly by GOG.COM. Meaning the website.... meaning you aren't going to find those games listed for sale here.
The distinction is a completely irrelevant one if as a consequence of Epic versions of games being sold via Galaxy, developers feel they don't need to do a proper GOG release because they already have a "presence" on GOG. That's clearly going to impact everyone Galaxy & offline installer user alike (not overnight but in the long-term). Simply repeating "if it's not visible on the store it doesn't matter" is wildly missing the point that people come to GOG in the first place predominately for DRM-Free versions, not just for a DRM'd Epic Store key with a happy face painted over the top by GOG's marketing dept.

I don't think I've heard a single person from GOG address the obvious "elephant in the room" that if you sell more and more "keys" for other stores, and developers find it less work to simply put the Epic version on GOG as it avoids needing to code separate Galaxy specific achievements / keep a different GOG-specific build patched up, etc, then as time goes by you may end up with fewer and fewer of your own "actual GOG" releases games and degenerate into little more than a key reseller. What's gradually been happening to the Humble Store's own DRM-Free builds over time being a perfect example of "If we're already on there and getting paid for Steam keys sold through the store, why bother doubling our workload with DRM-Free builds sold on the store"?
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The_Gypsy: Why is a GOG moderator defending DRM?
Why is a GOG moderator engaging in arguments with forum users? I mean he's being downright argumentative with blind speculation.
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The_Gypsy: Why is a GOG moderator defending DRM?
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paladin181: Why is a GOG moderator engaging in arguments with forum users? I mean he's being downright argumentative with blind speculation.
Wait, wait, I think I can answer all of that:

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AB2012: I don't think I've heard a single person from GOG address the obvious "elephant in the room"
No one at GOG even thought this deserves a news post or an official news thread.
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Vendor-Lazarus: A shrug is a sign of apathy. Apathy means you don't care.
Honestly, I'm just really tired of the doom and gloom the users of this forum revel in. Anytime GOG does something users complain and moan and say GOG is abandoning DRM free and installers and is going to make Galaxy mandatory, etc etc. It gets old, no matter how many times GOG says that is not happening or that Galaxy is optional or that the GOG.com store will always be a DRM Free store. It's doesn't matter, users here only believe what they want to believe... and say there are going to leave GOG, etc, and yet most of them are still here complaining.

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Vendor-Lazarus: Do you care about games being DRM-free?
Of course. Or why would I shop here and own nearly 500 games?

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Vendor-Lazarus: Also, if you feel up to it, entirely voluntary, I would like to ask your opinion about the issue of DRM'd EGS games not coming to GOG because they can already access the GOG userbase through Galaxy.
How do you feel about that?
I've already explain my view on this. I think the risk of that happening is very low, and this argument is ridiculous. First off, unless the publisher is already firmly reliant on DRM, the issue of games releasing here has little to do with DRM but has a lot to to do with market share. Many games get removed or don't come here because of low sales... not DRM. Getting more users on GOG via Galaxy is will solve this.

Second, those that release their game with DRM then release here later on do so to get sales from users that don't want to buy games with DRM or those that overlap and rebuy DRM free after buying somewhere else. There are also other reasons like GOG having the better version, ie Fallout 3. Many hardcore GOG users are not going to buy from the EGS in Galaxy. Users that already buy from the EGS are going to buy EGS games in Galaxy, so these are not really a GOG sale. These are an EGS sale. So why wouldn't I also release my game on GOG like have in the past to get these remaining sales from DRM free users? That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Breja: No one at GOG even thought this deserves a news post or an official news thread.
I'm sure they thought carefully about how they would announce it and how the news would go down with their userbase - it seems like too much of a coincidence that they'd announce such big news via a brief post on the forums (that they know will only be read by a small minority of their userbase) and that they'd post it right before starting a big sale.
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The_Gypsy: Why is a GOG moderator defending DRM?
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paladin181: Why is a GOG moderator engaging in arguments with forum users? I mean he's being downright argumentative with blind speculation.
I'm not arguing... I am debating... or does being a moderator mean I can't have an opinion on this issue? Am I suddenly not entitled to my own opinion now. Jeez.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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Post edited October 04, 2020 by GameN16bit
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LEMON CURRY?: Oh, crap.... Thanks a lot for the info and link, adamhm. :/
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LEMON CURRY?:
Wow, this escalated quickly. Not only would I never buy a double-launcher game, but now GOG openly selling DRM, yikes.
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Breja: No one at GOG even thought this deserves a news post or an official news thread.
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adamhm: I'm sure they thought carefully about how they would announce it and how the news would go down with their userbase - it seems like too much of a coincidence that they'd announce such big news via a brief post on the forums (that they know will only be read by a small minority of their userbase) and that they'd post it right before starting a big sale.
They put the news on Twitter too.......
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GameN16bit: I'm not arguing... I am debating... or does being a moderator mean I can't have an opinion on this issue? Am I suddenly not entitled to my own opinion now. Jeez.
Questioning people's ability to reason because they disagree with you is not discussion, friend. You gotta rise above petty insults.