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this console is around $150+ comes with a 1TB HDD lol, and is diskless, yet somebody opened the ne w console up theres no new tech inside to make it diskless they literally just had a front face cover without a disk cover on it and removed the disk drive, as the connectors are still there.

meaning there is probably a way to mod and install games and firmware on it as it has connectors for harddrives

if you wanna know more info o nthis theres a podcast on spotify called whatculture gaming and there podcast on this was posted on the 19th april so 2 days ago
Yes, console manufacturers and game publishers want to get rid of retail and the second hand market. If you look around a bit, you could probably find an XBox with disk drive that's cheaper than this one.
It's no surprise. If anyone remembers, Microsoft's original plan for the Xbox One involved even retail games using account based DRM to cut down on and control trading and lending. That was widely rejected and ridiculed by the gaming public, press and even by Sony.

They've wised up, they realise it's going to be a slow process. This is the next step in that process.
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moobot83: theres no new tech inside to make it diskless
Why would anyone expect there to be?
Post edited April 22, 2019 by SirPrimalform
I can't speak for countries aside from the US, but here at least it's ridiculously easy to find an Xbox one S bundle with a game or two for the same price or less as the MSRP of the SAD.

It's a joke and no one should buy this thing. But even if this one doesn't matter much in the end, the next iteration of the Xbox will also probably have a discless (and possibly streaming only) SKU. Sadly, this is probably a harbinger of things to come for the console world.
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SirPrimalform: They've wised up, they realise it's going to be a slow process. This is the next step in that process.
The successful erosion of all rights is a slow process. Whether it is consumer rights or a basic human right such as freedom of speech, the erosion starts out slowly. You find yourself saying, "well this isn't too bad, I can live with this" as the chipping-away begins and then one day you wake up and realize that you have completely lost a right such as "the right to repair" or "the right to purchase DRM-free".
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TARFU: The successful erosion of all rights is a slow process. Whether it is consumer rights or a basic human right such as freedom of speech, the erosion starts out slowly. You find yourself saying, "well this isn't too bad, I can live with this" as the chipping-away begins and then one day you wake up and realize that you have completely lost a right such as "the right to repair" or "the right to purchase DRM-free".
The "right to purchase DRM-free" isn't a right in any legal sense, you've just got to vote with your wallet. If there is a market for it then someone will sell it.
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TARFU: The successful erosion of all rights is a slow process. Whether it is consumer rights or a basic human right such as freedom of speech, the erosion starts out slowly. You find yourself saying, "well this isn't too bad, I can live with this" as the chipping-away begins and then one day you wake up and realize that you have completely lost a right such as "the right to repair" or "the right to purchase DRM-free".
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SirPrimalform: The "right to purchase DRM-free" isn't a right in any legal sense, you've just got to vote with your wallet. If there is a market for it then someone will sell it.
I believe that the concept of "DRM-free" IS a right. Think of when you buy a paperback novel or book. You can read it as many times as you want. You can sell it, give it or loan it to someone, use it for a doorstop or to brace a wobbly table. After you have exchanged money for it, it belongs to you. Humanity has worked under that system for thousands of years. The whole concept of "DRM/access control to purchased products" is VERY new in comparison, and I feel it goes against history and is the undermining of a basic right. And that undermining happened because when it started, people said "well this isn't too bad, I can live with this. Surely they won't restrict buyer's rights any further".
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TARFU: I believe that the concept of "DRM-free" IS a right. Think of when you buy a paperback novel or book. You can read it as many times as you want. You can sell it, give it or loan it to someone, use it for a doorstop or to brace a wobbly table. After you have exchanged money for it, it belongs to you. Humanity has worked under that system for thousands of years. The whole concept of "DRM/access control to purchased products" is VERY new in comparison, and I feel it goes against history and is the undermining of a basic right. And that undermining happened because when it started, people said "well this isn't too bad, I can live with this. Surely they won't restrict buyer's rights any further".
I don't like it any more than you do, but if people want to buy stuff with DRM I can't stop them and I don't think it's the government's place to stop them either. All you can do is vote with your wallet.
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moobot83: this console is around $150+ comes with a 1TB HDD lol, and is diskless, yet somebody opened the ne w console up theres no new tech inside to make it diskless they literally just had a front face cover without a disk cover on it and removed the disk drive, as the connectors are still there.
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Yes? that was the whole point - to be a cheap standard Xbox without the disk drive... did anyone ever say anything or indicate anything else?
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SirPrimalform: It's no surprise. If anyone remembers, Microsoft's original plan for the Xbox One involved even retail games using account based DRM to cut down on and control trading and lending. That was widely rejected and ridiculed by the gaming public, press and even by Sony.

They've wised up, they realise it's going to be a slow process. This is the next step in that process.
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moobot83: theres no new tech inside to make it diskless
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SirPrimalform: Why would anyone expect there to be?
yeah console gamers will never want to go fully digital its not like ocnsoles have massive sales like pc games do on steam and gog, i remember owning a 360 back in 2014 and fifa 14 was the same price as fifa 15 lol, fully digtial sucks cos they can charge what they want and its normally inflated prices due to convienience, only games that are gonna be on ebay are pre xbox one titles and pre ps4 titles, all new consoles are trying to do is be like pc's and they fail at it every year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47950296
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SirPrimalform: The "right to purchase DRM-free" isn't a right in any legal sense, you've just got to vote with your wallet. If there is a market for it then someone will sell it.
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TARFU: I believe that the concept of "DRM-free" IS a right. Think of when you buy a paperback novel or book. You can read it as many times as you want. You can sell it, give it or loan it to someone, use it for a doorstop or to brace a wobbly table. After you have exchanged money for it, it belongs to you. Humanity has worked under that system for thousands of years. The whole concept of "DRM/access control to purchased products" is VERY new in comparison, and I feel it goes against history and is the undermining of a basic right. And that undermining happened because when it started, people said "well this isn't too bad, I can live with this. Surely they won't restrict buyer's rights any further".
yeah... humanity did not have digital or internet for 1000's of years... now tech, new rules. for example, digital do not degrade, but lasts potnetially forever. your paperback book has a limited time span. you can not compare
Post edited April 22, 2019 by amok
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TARFU: The successful erosion of all rights is a slow process. Whether it is consumer rights or a basic human right such as freedom of speech, the erosion starts out slowly. You find yourself saying, "well this isn't too bad, I can live with this" as the chipping-away begins and then one day you wake up and realize that you have completely lost a right such as "the right to repair" or "the right to purchase DRM-free".
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SirPrimalform: The "right to purchase DRM-free" isn't a right in any legal sense, you've just got to vote with your wallet. If there is a market for it then someone will sell it.
I think he was arguing a general point but there have been breaches of the publics basic rights.
These businesses didn't only vote with their wallet to get where they are today.
This thing would not be such a bad idea for people who need a second console, for kids, to bring on travels or to save a few bucks, but the whole implementations is a complete joke:

It should have been 199$/€ maximum with a 1-3 months Game Pass or something like that.
It should have either be much smaller or they should have put a second hard drive bay where the Blu-Ray drive was.
They really asked for it with the name Xbox One "SAD" (S All Digital), it could have been "S Digital Edition" or just "Xbox One D".
Post edited April 22, 2019 by antrad88
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amok: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47950296
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TARFU: I believe that the concept of "DRM-free" IS a right. Think of when you buy a paperback novel or book. You can read it as many times as you want. You can sell it, give it or loan it to someone, use it for a doorstop or to brace a wobbly table. After you have exchanged money for it, it belongs to you. Humanity has worked under that system for thousands of years. The whole concept of "DRM/access control to purchased products" is VERY new in comparison, and I feel it goes against history and is the undermining of a basic right. And that undermining happened because when it started, people said "well this isn't too bad, I can live with this. Surely they won't restrict buyer's rights any further".
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amok: yeah... humanity did not have digital or internet for 1000's of years... now tech, new rules. for example, digital do not degrade, but lasts potnetially forever. your paperback book has a limited time span. you can not compare
Ok, let's look at a sword bought from a blacksmith. The blacksmith might refuse to tell you the special technique he may have used to forge the sword, but once you pay him and he gives the sword to you, you can do whatever you want with it. That includes repairing it and trying to forge a similar copy, possibly exact copy if you can figure out his technique. Not to mention that something metal like a sword will last practically forever if cared for.

I just used the book example because books are common and I'd wager that all of us here have read a book, but not necessarily held a sword. Yes, paper books may not last as long as digital information (but maybe so, given the age of some scrolls/manuscripts). Basically, you are saying "humanity didn't have paper for thousands of years, so the concept of owner's rights disappeared once paper was invented", only applied to digital stuff. I disagree with the concept that just because something is digital, you don't own it. And I suspect you must agree with it to some extent as well, or you wouldn't be interested in buying games on GOG. The main feature GOG has to offer is DRM-free games.
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amok: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47950296

yeah... humanity did not have digital or internet for 1000's of years... now tech, new rules. for example, digital do not degrade, but lasts potnetially forever. your paperback book has a limited time span. you can not compare
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TARFU: Ok, let's look at a sword bought from a blacksmith. The blacksmith might refuse to tell you the special technique he may have used to forge the sword, but once you pay him and he gives the sword to you, you can do whatever you want with it. That includes repairing it and trying to forge a similar copy, possibly exact copy if you can figure out his technique. Not to mention that something metal like a sword will last practically forever if cared for.

I just used the book example because books are common and I'd wager that all of us here have read a book, but not necessarily held a sword. Yes, paper books may not last as long as digital information (but maybe so, given the age of some scrolls/manuscripts). Basically, you are saying "humanity didn't have paper for thousands of years, so the concept of owner's rights disappeared once paper was invented", only applied to digital stuff. I disagree with the concept that just because something is digital, you don't own it. And I suspect you must agree with it to some extent as well, or you wouldn't be interested in buying games on GOG. The main feature GOG has to offer is DRM-free games.
lets not look at a sword from a blacksmith, it is still a physical item and does not apply.. so I stopped reading there.

edit - the sword will wear down - digital does not. I can't copy the sword, and instantly send the copy to my friend in china who can copy it again and each will be a perfect copy and so on

edit 2 - and I am saying anything physical (the book, the sword, a stone age club) is different from digital
Post edited April 22, 2019 by amok