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Narakir: Sorry but corporations have to defend their brands and IPs, is not like all fan works are great, just look at all the fan work around Sonic on deviant art to see the value of protecting your IP :p
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rampancy: I understand and agree to some extent with that argument. But in the case of games like SoRR, or the bevy of Pokemon fangames like Uranium, these are games made as expressions of love and genuine devotion for a company's IP. It's that same love and devotion that made these IPs important in the first place. These aren't games intended to compete commercially (unlike fan works like say, Star Trek Axanar, which IMO I felt was largely in the wrong), and even a casual observer would realize that these aren't officially released by the IP holder. And these games aren't even asking for sponsorship or official recognition.

The IP holders are of course well within their rights to suppress any and all fan work as they deem fit. But between moves like these and the bevy of anti-consumer practices/self-defeating business decisions they make, it'll only be a matter of time before the well is inevitably poisoned and the hardcore fans they relied on so heavily to sustain their bottom line will start to drop.
I agree that it's a shame that this genuine love and craft is wasted. On the other side, you have very competent "homage games" like Stardew Valley or Axion Verge who both pays their respects to the original IPs while doing something slightly different while managing to get all the recognition for their hard work.
Post edited February 01, 2017 by Narakir
Thanks for the heads up! Just finished downloading. :D
Cool beans, thanks op.
There's no way I'm playing co-op, though, unless it's local co-op.
How long before Capcom accuse the fan of 'attacking' their IP, and forcing him to shut the server down (if it even has one. Pkmn Uranium had) and/or remove all links from his website?
Why Nintendo and other douchebags even do it - it's not like it stops anyone from being able to get the files? It's stupidly easy to find 'em.
Post edited February 01, 2017 by almabrds
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Narakir: Sorry but corporations have to defend their brands and IPs, is not like all fan works are great, just look at all the fan work around Sonic on deviant art to see the value of protecting your IP :p
This is George Martin levels of bullshit. (Source: am paralegal, work in law firm.)
Sweet downloaded it but yeah I see this not lasting 2 days now that word is getting out about it. but man these fan made works are looking better and better than what the actual devs of these companies do...
Unlike well-knowm fangame hater Nintendo, Capcom is way more liberal in that matter, especially with Mega Man franchise. One thing worth mentioning is Street Fighter X Mega Man. Originally, this was also a fangame, but Capcom became interested in the project and they decided to support further development and release the game. In other words, shutting down Mega Man 2.5 is very unlikely.
Post edited February 02, 2017 by JamesBond007
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Narakir: Sorry but corporations have to defend their brands and IPs, is not like all fan works are great, just look at all the fan work around Sonic on deviant art to see the value of protecting your IP :p
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Starmaker: This is George Martin levels of bullshit. (Source: am paralegal, work in law firm.)
That still doesn't change the fact that a lot of fan stuff is utter garbage and that if I owned a good IP, I'll be extremely pissed to see it turned into a furry porn by some degenerate fucktard on the internet.
Post edited February 02, 2017 by Narakir
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Narakir: Sorry but corporations have to defend their brands and IPs, is not like all fan works are great, just look at all the fan work around Sonic on deviant art to see the value of protecting your IP :p
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Starmaker: This is George Martin levels of bullshit. (Source: am paralegal, work in law firm.)
Bullshit.

While you aren't required to protect your copyrights, you absolutely have to protect your trademark if you want to keep it into the future. That's really the relevant thing with most fan games. They usually don't use copyrighted materials from the publisher, but they do use the trademarked characters and such that require the publisher to protect their use.


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Starmaker: This is George Martin levels of bullshit. (Source: am paralegal, work in law firm.)
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Narakir: That still doesn't change the fact that a lot of fan stuff is utter garbage and that if I owned a good IP, I'll be extremely pissed to see it turned into a furry porn by some degenerate fucktard on the internet.
It's also not true. The trademarks absolutely have to be used and defended if the owner wants to retain the mark. I'm not sure where Starmaker got that information from, but no competent paralegal would make that claim.
Post edited February 02, 2017 by hedwards
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amrit9037: Give it a shot before Capcom sends in the lawyers.
I can't recall Capcom sending anyone to censor fan projects...

I've seen Nintendo & Square Enix do it often enough though...
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Starmaker: This is George Martin levels of bullshit. (Source: am paralegal, work in law firm.)
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Narakir: That still doesn't change the fact that a lot of fan stuff is utter garbage and that if I owned a good IP, I'll be extremely pissed to see it turned into a furry porn by some degenerate fucktard on the internet.
There's a big difference between furry porn and a fan game like Streets of Rage Remake.
Been noticing a few games (indie/fanmade) that were in development for close to a decade being released now. Eh, so far the ones I've tried (AM2R and Owlboy) were good, especially AM2R (seriously, play this game), so I can't really complain.

Playing through this and...so far the worst aspect of it is the "2.5D" gimmick. The 3D elements in this game remind me of the "3D" classics Nintendo made for certain NES games that were re-released for the 3DS, where parts of the game were redone to include the 3D feature the system had. It looks interesting to say the least, but once you look past that it...doesn't really add anything to it. Not to mention that at certain parts it kind of looks disorienting when going from one angle to another, and certain foreground objects block your vision making it annoying as well. Unless this gimmick is better utilized in the later portions of the game (still going through the first 8 bosses), I'm not really impressed with it.

Looking past that everything else so far feels well made.
Post edited February 02, 2017 by RayRay13000
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Narakir: I'll be extremely pissed to see it turned into a furry porn by some degenerate fucktard on the internet.
Sweet Viper boobies! =P
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rampancy: There's a big difference between furry porn and a fan game like Streets of Rage Remake.
^ What he said.
Post edited February 02, 2017 by mistermumbles
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mistermumbles: Man, why do people keep making these when it's a given they'll get a cease & desist order in no time flat? *shakes head in bafflement* In other words: why don't they make enough changes so that the original IP owner can't object? I just don't get it.

Looks nice enough though. *shrug*
Because nowadays, cease and desist, is something like the game being reborn anew, or something like Restarting (after relocating). Also, certain web locations (legal of course int he scene of gaming), do a mighty wonderful job in offering shelter to fangames, especially the latest victims of cease and desist BS. Corporations already lost. Nothing beats a "hydra" and all its heads.

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rampancy: It's just despicable, the level of disrespect big corporate IP holders have for fans and fan work. Not that it should be surprising to anyone.
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Narakir: Sorry but corporations have to defend their brands and IPs, is not like all fan works are great, just look at all the fan work around Sonic on deviant art to see the value of protecting your IP :p
What defend their IPs? Like Sega, who leaves them buried in decades old graves collecting dust, even cancelling official remakes of them in the works? Since they don't plan to use the IP and they don't do retro style games today, they are just dicks and asses by preventing those who do exactly that, for free too, through sacrifices of time/effort/talent, not to even begin mentioning/listing. Within rights or not, dick and ass is dick and ass, not respectable or honorable entrepreneur. Plus, most recent fangames, are actually better than the originals themselves! Streets of Rage Remake, or Another Metroid 2 Remake, anyone??? Latest one was even nominated for the "best fan made creation of 2016" contest. If they want to be within rights, they should stop producing next gen graphics, clunky ports, broken games and use their good old recipes. Which they DON'T, plus, don't WANNA.

Not my fault they don't want my money. Neither fan game devs want my money, but if i could, i would gladly give, to the latter. All big corporations dicked old fans hard. Just like Konami-Iga-Castlevania. Now Iga even kickstarted his new game and became the biggest success ever in the entire history of kickstarting! Let Konami cry and keep making reboots and crappy mobile games! THEY don't want our money, so they are NOT entitled to get mad at others who cater to us, unlike them, in their stead. They decided to change audience. This comes with consequences.
Post edited February 02, 2017 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: What defend their IPs? Like Sega, who leaves them buried in decades old graves collecting dust, even cancelling official remakes of them in the works? Since they don't plan to use the IP and they don't do retro style games today, they are just dicks and asses by preventing those who do exactly that, for free too, through sacrifices of time/effort/talent, not to even begin mentioning/listing. Within rights or not, dick and ass is dick and ass, not respectable or honorable entrepreneur. Plus, most recent fangames, are actually better than the originals themselves! Streets of Rage Remake, or Another Metroid 2 Remake, anyone??? Latest one was even nominated for the "best fan made creation of 2016" contest. If they want to be within rights, they should stop producing next gen graphics, clunky ports, broken games and use their good old recipes. Which they DON'T, plus, don't WANNA.

Not my fault they don't want my money. Neither fan game devs want my money, but if i could, i would gladly give, to the latter. All big corporations dicked old fans hard. Just like Konami-Iga-Castlevania. Now Iga even kickstarted his new game and became the biggest success ever in the entire history of kickstarting! Let Konami cry and keep making reboots and crappy mobile games! THEY don't want our money, so they are NOT entitled to get mad at others who cater to us, unlike them, in their stead. They decided to change audience. This comes with consequences.
Well I agree with most of what you say, but... Why should we encourage corporate entities to embrace those fan-made games? The Metroid 2 Remake would have made a lovely indie game if they scraped all the copyrighted content and published it. The only value of licences is for branding and recognition, we don't actually need a game to be branded mario to be a good mario-like game don't we ?
Post edited February 02, 2017 by Narakir