Thanks, cristigale.

Sorry for the delay, but I'm settling into a new job in RL. (Wow, I'm bringing out my lame excuses already. This is going to be a great game :)

It seems to me that a whole lot of people are slipping, catching, being jumped upon, and then dying back into the background. Of course, all of this is in less than 48 hours, but it is interesting.

I'm totally with trentonlf on no role-talk, but I think the PMs are very interesting. Something about mine (reading between the lines) tells me that this will be an unusual game. And, of course, it is being modded by Vitek, so who knows what might happen. I just hope we don't get any more flying pugs ;)

We should keep the bowler and monocle; squinting can be annoying.

Here's the problem - you're a completely reactive player. This is your strategy every game: Find the first player who says anything of substance and then vote for him. Then shut down brain and walk away. You're very like HijacK in that way.

Look at what you just said above:

But you don't do that. You are reactive, not proactive. You don't add anything. You sit there and do nothing and wait for someone to "behave scummy", which for you, apparently just means posting something.

Look, I'm not going to beat on you all game here. This is just old and tired news and my mind is blown again. I don't know if you're Scum (would this be the first time?) and just trying to divert attention or if you really, truly just drop your vote on me and check out. This whole damn game may end up feeling like Groundhog Day for me, and if so, so be it. Just c'mon man, I'm begging you, help me out here. Don't shut down before we hit post #60. Please be a part of this thing.

Nope.

Yogs- I think you mean well and want to get more info into the game. With sharing your pm and than telling us not to share ours what is to gain? No i am not sharing mine or asking anyone too. But I mean what do you want others to do? or is just so others see you as town?

Here's the thing Yogs, you seem unable to play the game without talking roles and PMs. You need all the information hand feed to you so you can make a decision. You're a weak player who needs someone to hold his hand to play. Learn to think about how someone is playing or why they are behaving a certain way and you might start to understand what his game is about. But I think you're a lost cause in that aspect, to you its all about the numbers. The only way to get those numbers is for everyone to give up their role or PM information.

I base any vote I place off of players actions or information I've gathered on them. Of all the players right now you are behaving the scummiest to me, and I've given my reasoning for it.

Did someone mention weather-forecasting vermin? They might be on to something.

Well, I'm not saying to not share yours, although I would be prudent about what details to share, just as I was.

What I'm hoping is that someone(s) will see what I wrote and say, "hey, this piece makes some sense" and we can pool a little bit of information.

I understand that probably won't lead to a successful lynch on Day 1 - that's not really the point, although it would be great. The hope is that pulling enough information out early will help us sort through it later.

I will live and die forever with the belief that doing exactly that - pulling information out and sorting it early - is the key to winning. It's not scummy to get people to share information and react to it. I will never, never understand how that supposedly helps Scum. It's infuriating. I don't get it.

You don't have to go back too far. Look at the last game - I started my post about the relative value of roles, lots of people reacted to it, and in later days you could SEE how JMich reacted to the evaluation of the Doctor possibly being Scum, and you could SEE how the tracker and doctor fit together. The party crowd in the dead thread got it.

So Sage, for you or anyone else, please feel free to react to what I revealed. Please feel free to (judiciously) add to the information pool if you feel it will help. I think we need to figure out how this game is arraigned, as we don't even know what we're after here. Let's see what we can find out, even if it doesn't really all come together until later Days.

The general rule of thumb is between 25% and 33% scum. Then you might have to ramp it up if some are anti-town and out of the main group and also if the game tends toward power madness (as additional powers invariably help town more than scum). So I'd guess 4 scum as a starting point and would not be surprised if there are 5 given how the typical GoG mafia game tends to be role heavy.

I wouldn't read too much into the multiple factions concept, just because the OP allows for that possibility, doesn't mean its true and the wording could be there to account for a lone anti-town tack-on.

OK, last thing on this, and then I stop beating on Trent as promised.

Trent, you don't place votes based on information you've "gathered". When do you ask questions? When do you do analysis? When do you contribute? You just slam a vote down and walk away. You think I'm a weak player? Yep, that must be why I get it right all the time and nail the Scum time after time. Want to compare track records? I mean, here you are, voting for me in the first ten minutes, again. It makes me want to slam my head on my desk.

If you're scum, fine man, keep on keepin' on. But if you're Town, you're just not helping. At all. I think you just vote for me because of my quote-unquote-style, and feel like it relieves you of responsibility of actually having to deal with other players or the game as a whole. It's just bad, lazy play, and it turns my hair white, because you could be helpful, but choose not to be.

Understand my perspective. I know who and what I am (obligatory JMich-annoying "Iamsotownlulz" comment), and doing what I know in my heart to be the most helpful thing to do to win, and here is that same guy just yelling "SCUM" and giving a no-effort vote on me yet again.

Help me out man. Please. Again, if you're Scum, this doesn't mean anything, do as you want to. But if you're Town, geezus man, get back with the program and be part of the solution and not the problem.

OK, I'm done. No more noise from me about Trent.

Hopefully somebody will find something constructive and informative to add, though.

Can you now understand why last game was so infuriating for me? You don't understand why sharing information too early is bad, you keep pushing for sharing information too early, yet you still (somehow) manage to get where you want to go. I am reminded of this Peter Griffin decision.

I've been trying. But, you know, it is hard to be insightful and vague concurrently, while still remaining somewhat humorous. ;)

But last game you were Scum, so of course when information came out and people started talking about it, it was aggravating to you. That's my point! That's completely my point! You didn't like people talking about the setup, right? Why not?

PS: I'm at work, so no audio for me on a video with the words "penis enlargement". I'll have to check out that reference later. :)

Amen to that, brother.

And/or sister.

It's not. I had a mistake in my post with entire topic practically missing, yet elements from it remained there. And I explained myself.

Now you are just twisting my words. Please, show me where I said "neutral anti-town factions" in this combination. I said there are anti-town players some of which at least one should be neutral. Even though I don't liked the reason you engaged me for too much I appreciated the fact that you made a question out of it. But you pushed a bit too hard even after I said what I mean. The fact that you put words in my mouth is even less likable. Were you this aggressive in previous games?