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Wolfy777: 1 Q: Are negative opinions allowed?

A: Of course!
You are entitled to whatever your opinion might be, just refrain from being outright hostile and/or insulting.
That should cover it. If the QA section is missing something, tell me and I'll add it.
Autists the worst! :P
I specialised in HCI in my masters, and my thesis supervisor was big on social development programs, so he suggested I work on a system for helping autistic people deal with every day stuff through virtual environments- not VR, (although it could be extended to that), but 3D "game scenes" basically.
After a year of such work, I gotta say not really their fault, I'm totally drained of the desire to help autistic people :D.
Especially since my findings were fairly inconclusive (but again, I hope they've been built upon to find something useful).
I'm not autistic (as far as I know) and I don't know all that much about it. If I recall correctly, it has something to do with having trouble grasping "social norms"/"personal boundaries" because they are very abstract and are often very different depending on whom you are interacting with and such things.

I don't know (to my knowledge) anyone who is in/on that spectrum either. As long as I'm treated right, I do the same. From what I understand, someone with autism may do/say something "inappropiate" that might come off as offending, but I'm imagening, it would lack the "proper tone" for that (= be delivered in a neutral matter of fact way instead of malicious/sarcastic/whatever) which would tell me, it wasn't intended as such so it shouldn't pose a problem for me. I might frown and wonder, but then again, I myself don't always get why (seemingly) non-autistic people do the things they do and say the things they say, so I probably would just let it go or ask for clarification or mention that I dind't like where that conversation/action went. But then again, that is how I would treat everyone else too. Hm... Unless I'm missing something important about being autistic, it probably wouldn't make a difference to me after all anyway (if the person was autistic or not).

(Well, I seem to remember, that some autists, can't quiet articulate their thoughts and feelings because of to much input/sensory overload? And this can cause them to be treated badly, because they can't quiet voice themselves and get help/get it to stop. People who treat other badly (while they know very well, what they are doing) are the kind of people that worry me and that I would prefer didn't exist.)
I'm not autistic unless batshit crazy is also on the spectrum (I should check).

I have no idea what autism is, because it kept being described differently, and The Shield distracted me with the other plotlines.

And I don't really care. Fine with no opinion on it until I bump onto an utist and require specific knowledge to adjust expectations. But generally speaking I'm not an expectations person. I had expectations once. Never again.

The important thing is that I am talking about myself. What was the thread about already ? Ah never mind. I'm wearing socks with no trousers. This keeps my feet warmer than my legs. I'm thirsty. Did anyone ask if I was thirsty ?



Ah also :

No matter how hard I try, I cannot distinguish between
Bad: "Whites are just oppressive motherf... *insult censoring beep*!"
and
Good: "I dislike white people because they oppress people of other races."
What's the deal with people's obsession with form over content ? What's this planet about ? I'm confused.
Post edited September 26, 2018 by Telika
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Wolfy777: 1 Q: Are negative opinions allowed?

A: Of course!
You are entitled to whatever your opinion might be, just refrain from being outright hostile and/or insulting.
That should cover it. If the QA section is missing something, tell me and I'll add it.
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babark: Autists the worst! :P
I specialised in HCI in my masters, and my thesis supervisor was big on social development programs, so he suggested I work on a system for helping autistic people deal with every day stuff through virtual environments- not VR, (although it could be extended to that), but 3D "game scenes" basically.
After a year of such work, I gotta say not really their fault, I'm totally drained of the desire to help autistic people :D.
Especially since my findings were fairly inconclusive (but again, I hope they've been built upon to find something useful).
What does "HCI" stand for?

And as someone that's capable of drilling into people for hours over a tiny piece of information that I just can't seem to piece together, I can see how it can be taxing. XD

Still, if I didn't have the right people to talk me through countless confusing moments, I imagine it'd be Hell for me to adjust.

I'm sure they appreciated your help all the same.

Since you meantioned findings, may I ask what were you researching?

P.S. A big thank you for sticking to the rules. :)
I don't think I ever met any autistic person so I don't have any opinion about them.
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Telika: What was the thread about already ?
Did anyone ask if I was thirsty ?

Ah also :

No matter how hard I try, I cannot distinguish between

Bad: "Whites are just oppressive motherf... *insult censoring beep*!"
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Telika: and

Good: "I dislike white people because they oppress people of other races."
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Telika: What's the deal with people's obsession with form over content ? What's this planet about ? I'm confused.
I'm going to assume the part about asking about your thrist and possibly the part about the point of the planet are a jokes.

I wanted to see people's opinons about autism and encourage some genral discussion about it.
I'm not entirely sure to what point that aim was achived, but I'll go with the flow. XD

As for the "bad vs good" examples, it would probably make more sense if I used a diffrent adjective e.g. "dumb", so the two wouldn't overlap.
I wanted to ilustrate that I'd prefer to get argumented opinons.

Speaking of opinons, thanks for letting me know that it makes no difference to you.

P.S. Am correct in judging by your "undertone" that the scope of this thread is too broad?
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Wolfy777: P.S. Am correct in judging by your "undertone" that the scope of this thread is too broad?
Nope. I have no idea of the scope of this thread. Okay, maybe I think that the scope of autism is too broad. But what do I know.

The most that can be inferred from my "undertone" in the state in which I arrived home tonight.
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Wolfy777: P.S. Am correct in judging by your "undertone" that the scope of this thread is too broad?
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Telika: The most that can be inferred from my "undertone" in the state in which I arrived home tonight.
Maybe it is too broad, but I'd like give it a shot anyway.

Thanks for the correction, in that case I hope you feel better soon.
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Telika: The most that can be inferred from my "undertone" in the state in which I arrived home tonight.
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Wolfy777: Maybe it is too broad, but I'd like give it a shot anyway.

Thanks for the correction, in that case I hope you feel better soon.
Unlikely. When you have an unexpected fallout with someone who decides to cut the communication completely, the option to make things better are a bit out of the equation.

Not that it's somebody super close, but somebody I worry about a bit.

So, yeah, there. On the plus side : weee. <3 <3
Post edited September 26, 2018 by Telika
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Aren't real autists people who live completely in their own world and basically unable to communicate?
Seems like the term is over-used...you're not an autist, if you're just socially inept or inconsiderate.
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morolf:
Ever since they started talking about the autism spectrum, we are people with less talent for socialising but to a very varying degree.

Sure, some are so bad at communicating that they seem to live in a world of their own but they still do take in things from outside. Processing it can take a real long time though.
Post edited September 26, 2018 by Themken
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Wolfy777: Maybe it is too broad, but I'd like give it a shot anyway.

Thanks for the correction, in that case I hope you feel better soon.
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Telika: Unlikely. When you have an unexpected fallout with someone who decides to cut the communication completely, the option to make things better are a bit out of the equation.

Not that it's somebody super close, but somebody I worry about a bit.

So, yeah, there. On the plus side : weee. <3 <3
If you're still in the mood to post, this might be a good place.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_drunk_thread

Edit: If that came across as rude, I apologize as that wasn't my intention.
Post edited September 27, 2018 by Wolfy777
I don't think I have an opinion, as in I don't see them as any different than anyone I meet on the street. Okay autistics brains are wired differently but so what? This just makes them worse at some stuff and better at others, like everyone who's not in the specter also is better or worse compared to other people.

They're worse at social interactions but meh, social stuff is overrated anyway. I'm not autistic but I'm kind of antisocial so I can honestly say they're not missing much.

The one thing I would have "against" people in the spectrum is a bit of caution at first if I had to deal with one in a regular basis. Once or twice I saw an autistic get so distressed at too much sensory input that they lashed out - and even then, they didn't hurt anyone but themselves.
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morolf: Aren't real autists people who live completely in their own world and basically unable to communicate?
Seems like the term is over-used...you're not an autist, if you're just socially inept or inconsiderate.
I suspect that you're just trolling, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually believe what you've written.

It's wrong of course, you've taken an incorrect assertion (that "real" autists live completely in their own world), applied the nebulous term "real" in order to easily discount others not fitting your definition. You've then closed off with a conclusion based on your incorrect assertion.

I think the problem you've encountered is that you've tried to classify autism by the resulting symptoms at time of diagnosis. My own view is that it is a different set of behavioural stimulus that causes distinct differences in a person's development as a child. It's certainly established that the diagnosis of autism in children (and subsequent accomodation of it) can have a distinct bearing on how they integrate into society, and how well they manage the condition.

There was a very good documentary by a BBC celebrity Chris Packham, it's not available at the moment, but you could probably find a copy if you're interested (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09b1zbb). He describes how autism affected his life growing up, and more importantly, in my opinion, how it's then continued to affect his life going on. It's really interesting to hear how he describes the stimulus and motivations in his actions, and helps to identify how it is a separate condition.

The "real" autists you refer to, they have an overwhelming severity of the condition that stops them integrating into society. This doesn't necessarily put them in "completely in their own world", it just means that they are so driven by the impulses and obsessions that they override what would be normal behaviour because of them. Often there is some realisation that their not "supposed" to do these things, but they cannot control it.
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wpegg:
That doesn't sound very scientific.
I think the vast majority of people who claim to have Asperger's or other mild forms of autism are just introverts. Claiming that's a disease is just a money-making scam by the medical profession imo.