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Posted January 23, 2021
I wonder if this means I should or shouldn't buy my missing Don't Starve DLCs and Invisible Inc in the next Gog promo..
Posted January 23, 2021
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And here they say "evil communists". It's all very much capitalism, baby. That's simply how it works. People just can't cope with how the Chinese capitalists suddenly outdo the Western ones. They learned from the best, if that's any consolation...
Posted January 23, 2021
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toxicTom: And here they say "evil communists". It's all very much capitalism, baby. That's simply how it works. People just can't cope with how the Chinese capitalists suddenly outdo the Western ones. They learned from the best, if that's any consolation...
dont you get it! now they are going to insert the subliminal message " I heart communism" in all the Klei games, and when you update them next time they will install a spyware that tells Xi Jinping how many times you look at pictures of cats... it is doom, I tell you. DOOOOOM!!!!!
Posted January 23, 2021
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amok: dont you get it! now they are going to insert the subliminal message " I heart communism" in all the Klei games, and when you update them next time they will install a spyware that tells Xi Jinping how many times you look at pictures of cats... it is doom, I tell you. DOOOOOM!!!!!
And I thought it was pictures of bears. Also they might inject "I <3 Communism" in games, but I think those games will be banned in China... They don't want people to think about what could be.
Posted January 23, 2021
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Orkhepaj: or the original holders were threatened
with money? You threatened them? Btw, your forum signature contains a world-class liar, even his name contains the word "lie" (солгать, ложь).
Posted January 23, 2021
Bloody hell.
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wolfsite: Tencent has acquired Funcom,
This is much more depressing to me than anything to do with Klei.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by my name is sadde catte
Posted January 23, 2021
Wonder how many more acquisitions before game sites start talking about hostile takeover over the gaming industry and control it.

how many companies did they buy in the span of 3 or so years?

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What’s going to change?
There are some boring accounting changes that we will need to adjust to. Other than that, I will continue running the studio as before, with no changes to staffing, projects or other operations.

Why are we doing this?

Klei has been around for 15 years, and we have made many changes over the years in order to respond to a changing world. Consistently, my wish has been to enable people to do their best creative work, to learn and grow, to not have to worry about finances, and be able to enjoy their lives outside the studio. This has not changed.

This partnership helps us navigate a changing industry, and helps us focus on what we do best: making unique experiences that no one else can.

Who is Tencent?

Tencent has been in the games industry for many years, investing in companies that produce games such as Path of Exile, League of Legends, PUBG, Clash of Clans, Fortnite, and more.

In 2016, Tencent helped us distribute Klei games in China, with Don’t Starve Together being the very first game to launch on their WeGame platform. More recently, we’ve been collaborating with them on Don’t Starve: Newhome on mobile.

Why Tencent?

We looked at a lot of different companies, and over the years, we’ve worked with a large number of publishers and distributors. Tencent is the only company that we felt would let us retain the level of control that we demand.

We’ve been working with Tencent for years and even at points where we disagreed, they were always willing to work with us to find the best solution for everybody involved and defer to us when we felt strongly.

How does this affect Klei games in China?

As mentioned, we’ve been working with Tencent for quite some time. We worked with them to launch Don’t Starve Together in China in 2016, and have been working with them on our China launches ever since.

Players in China make up a large proportion of the players of our games, and we have been supporting them alongside our North American operation for several years. We don’t expect significant operational changes for China or anywhere else in the world, but we do expect that this partnership will help us to better support our players in China.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by DreamedArtist
Posted January 23, 2021
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Orkhepaj: or the original holders were threatened
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Lin545: with money? You threatened them? Btw, your forum signature contains a world-class liar, even his name contains the word "lie" (солгать, ложь).
sure sure deny past crimes against humanity .... wonder what you want to achieve with that
Posted January 23, 2021
Better than Disney .
Posted January 23, 2021
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wolfsite: snip
A popular Tencent game was banned in my country. Matters were resolved only after the developers switched to a non-Chinese publisher. Tik-Tok and UC browser are also banned here.

Ironically, Chinese phones are still popular because of a dearth of cheaper VFM alternatives.

The anti-China sentiment is strong in my country. I'd also be happy if we would have more of decentralized manufacturing instead of most things being centered in China. Countries like Thailand, Vietnam, India, and even certain places in Africa can serve as eventual alternatives.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by Lionel212008
Posted January 23, 2021
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wolfsite: snip
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Lionel212008: A popular Tencent game was banned in my country. Matters resolved only after the developers switched to a non-Chinese publisher. Tik-Tok and UC browser are also banned here.

Ironically, Chinese phones are still popular because of a dearth of cheaper VFM alternatives.

The anti-China sentiment is strong in my country. I'd also be happy if we would have more of decentralized manufacturing instead of most things being centered in China. Countries like Thailand, Vietnam, India, and even certain places in Africa can serve as eventual alternatives.
Thing is, workforce in the C country is cheap. So, even though we might be agaisn't their internal social public policies, our "good ol' world companies" are going to still use their soil for profit.

Look at their workforce compared to the world:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.TLF.TOTL.IN?name_desc=false

While most contries stand in between 10,000.00 to 70,000.00, C country is in the house of 700,000.00.

Interesting enough, their labor force is declining.

India is in the house of 500,000.00, so I believe you're right. This contry could be an alternative too for massive world production. Probably in a few years India and C-country will be ahead of every other contry, depending on how "B-President" apply his policies in the U-States.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by D.Keys
Posted January 23, 2021
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toxicTom: And here they say "evil communists". It's all very much capitalism, baby. That's simply how it works. People just can't cope with how the Chinese capitalists suddenly outdo the Western ones. They learned from the best, if that's any consolation...
All mainland chinese companies with 50 or more employees are required to have a CCP branch. That is why basic auditing rules won't apply for mainland chinese companies that list on the U.S. markets. Such corporate information is classified as "state secrets" by the CCP. Milton Friedman would probably turn in his grave when hearing you describe an economy where all companies with 50+ employees are state run as "very much capitalism". Maybe state capitalism in Vladimir Lenin's sense.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by InSaintMonoxide
Posted January 23, 2021
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toxicTom: And here they say "evil communists". It's all very much capitalism, baby. That's simply how it works. People just can't cope with how the Chinese capitalists suddenly outdo the Western ones. They learned from the best, if that's any consolation...
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InSaintMonoxide: All mainland chinese companies with 50 or more employees are required to have a CCP branch. That is why basic auditing rules won't apply for mainland chinese companies that list on the U.S. markets. Such corporate information is classified as "state secrets" by the CCP. Milton Friedman would probably turn in his grave when hearing you describe an economy where all companies with 50+ employees are state run as "very much capitalism". Maybe state capitalism in Vladimir Lenin's sense.
I see you're a Chicago man/woman of culture. Im more of an light Austrian.
Turns out I can't understand how C-Country keeps growing while the state controls everything like this. May be my ignorance, but, shouldn't state break the free market with it's dumb decisions? How can we explain their cotinuous growth?

One thing I know though, they buy cheap, 'lands' mostly and participate with a good amount of % in many multinational companies, but aren't they growing just because other countries accept to make commercial agreements? If so, why they continue if "they don't support the c.c-p"?
Posted January 23, 2021
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toxicTom: And here they say "evil communists". It's all very much capitalism, baby. That's simply how it works. People just can't cope with how the Chinese capitalists suddenly outdo the Western ones. They learned from the best, if that's any consolation...
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InSaintMonoxide: All mainland chinese companies with 50 or more employees are required to have a CCP branch. That is why basic auditing rules won't apply for mainland chinese companies that list on the U.S. markets. Such corporate information is classified as "state secrets" by the CCP. Milton Friedman would probably turn in his grave when hearing you describe an economy where all companies with 50+ employees are state run as "very much capitalism". Maybe state capitalism in Vladimir Lenin's sense.
State capitalism is still capitalism though.
China is so overwhelmingly powerful (encomically) because it is monolithic, the entire country acts in one direction.
Most definitely NOT communist, although I understand and share the concern many have towards such an imposing entity.

I don't know how many times I've said it already, but "the real communism" -the one that has never even been tried afaik and it is more fantasy than reality- revolves around the concept of workers owning the means of production. Not the elite like in the West, not the State like in the former USSR and China. It is a very noble ideal, but it's just that, unfortunately: an ideal. Marx "forgot" people don't want to share, everyone wants to stay on top nomatter the cost.

In any case: everything ends in the pockets of the selected few, so honestly, it wouldn't have changed had Klei been acquired by anybody else. I'm sad they're not independent anymore.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by Enebias
Posted January 23, 2021
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InSaintMonoxide: All mainland chinese companies with 50 or more employees are required to have a CCP branch. That is why basic auditing rules won't apply for mainland chinese companies that list on the U.S. markets. Such corporate information is classified as "state secrets" by the CCP. Milton Friedman would probably turn in his grave when hearing you describe an economy where all companies with 50+ employees are state run as "very much capitalism". Maybe state capitalism in Vladimir Lenin's sense.
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D.Keys: I see you're a Chicago man/woman of culture. Im more of an light Austrian.
Turns out I can't understand how C-Country keeps growing while the state controls everything like this. May be my ignorance, but, shouldn't state break the free market with it's dumb decisions? How can we explain their cotinuous growth?

One thing I know though, they buy cheap, 'lands' mostly and participate with a good amount of % in many multinational companies, but aren't they growing just because other countries accept to make commercial agreements? If so, why they continue if "they don't support the c.c-p"?
I certainly have respect for the Austrian school as well, even though it wasn't my intention to derail the thread into an economic debate. Part of the CCP's approach regarding growth is a "fake it 'til you make it" style of economics introduced by Deng Xiaoping to supersede the traditional planned economy. In essence, the mainland chinese economy combines traits of a ponzi scheme to gain foreign investments (the PRC has a history of distorting statistics in their favor, which is part of why corporate information is classified as "state secrets") with the perks of being able to create artificial monopolies and utilize slave labour to get an advantage in international competition. Considering the fact that the chinese mainland has had severe problems with both famine and blackouts in the last few months alone, i think it is fairly safe to say that the country is not doing as well as it claims either.

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InSaintMonoxide: All mainland chinese companies with 50 or more employees are required to have a CCP branch. That is why basic auditing rules won't apply for mainland chinese companies that list on the U.S. markets. Such corporate information is classified as "state secrets" by the CCP. Milton Friedman would probably turn in his grave when hearing you describe an economy where all companies with 50+ employees are state run as "very much capitalism". Maybe state capitalism in Vladimir Lenin's sense.
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Enebias: State capitalism is still capitalism though.
China is so overwhelmingly powerful (encomically) because it is monolithic, the entire country acts in one direction.
Most definitely NOT communist, although I understand and share the concern many have towards such an imposing entity.

I don't know how many times I've said it already, but "the real communism" -the one that has never even been tried afaik and it is more fantasy than reality- revolves around the concept of workers owning the means of production. Not the elite like in the West, not the State like in the former USSR and China. It is a very noble ideal, but it's just that, unfortunately: an ideal. Marx "forgot" people don't want to share, everyone wants to stay on top nomatter the cost.

In any case: everything ends in the pockets of the selected few, so honestly, it wouldn't have changed had Klei been acquired by anybody else. I'm sad they're not independent anymore.
Not trying to continue to derail this thread into an economic debate, but i just want to mention i disagree about communism being a noble ideal at all.

I'm talking about Karl Marx' definition of communism here: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property." (Communist Manifesto, Chapter 2)

I find this concept inhumane, detestable and disgusting. So communism in theory is everything but a noble ideal in my humble opinion.
Post edited January 23, 2021 by InSaintMonoxide
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