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The JRPG Days are not over yet!
You've been playing Zwei: The Arges Adventure and Legrand Legacy: Tale of the Fatebounds while snagging genre classics on the cheap from our jRPG Days sale. Now it's time to take a look behind the scenes: team leader Ken Berry and localization producer Thomas Lipschultz have taken some time to chat with us about how XSEED handles the release and localization of their beloved JRPG series.
The interview is broken down into two parts, for convenience. Stay tuned for Part 2 tomorrow, January 30.

So, let's start with a quick year in review – from your professional point of view, has 2017 been good to Japanese games in the West?

Ken: Yes, I would say that 2017 has been a very good year for Japanese games in the West. The obvious big winner is Nintendo with their extremely successful launch of the Switch, as I remember some Japanese executives being concerned whether the idea of one machine being both a home console and a portable machine could succeed in North America where public transportation is not nearly as prevalent as Japan.
The PC platform also continues to get more support from the Japanese gaming industry. Not only are you seeing more instances of simultaneous PC launches with the console release, but they seem to be gradually accepting the idea of DRM-free on PC as well, which had always been a huge challenge in the past because they would often mistakenly equate “DRM-free” to “free.”

A lot can be said about different sensibilities in Japan vs. the West. In the past year, maybe more than ever, sexuality, sexualization, and consent, are talked about in mainstream Western culture – taboos are being broken and lines being drawn. Has this had an impact on your approach and your work?

Tom: As a company, I think it’s definitely made us stop and take stock of a game’s content a lot earlier in the process than ever before, so we know well in advance whether there will be any potentially problematic content, and can prepare ourselves to deal with that content as production ramps up.
For me specifically, it’s been kind of an inner struggle, as I think a lot of people are aware that I have a personal zero-tolerance policy for censorship in video games, along with a fairly broad definition of what constitutes censorship (for me, it consists of any content changes made not out of legal or contractual necessity, but solely in an attempt to avoid offending or upsetting members of the target audience). Despite this, I do fully understand that from a business standpoint – and even from a moral standpoint – it’s always best to avoid upsetting your fans, because obviously, an upset fan is not going to remain a fan for very long, and signing off on upsetting or troublesome language or imagery is never something anyone wants to do!
The problem I have, though, is that I truly do consider video games – ALL video games – to be art, and just as it wouldn’t feel right to me if someone painted over offensive material in a painting, edited out offensive material in a book, or cut offensive material from a film, I don’t want to see anyone (least of all us) editing out offensive material in games. My thought is, if it’s that offensive, then we probably shouldn’t be releasing the game at all – though that’s obviously not always a realistic option.
Recently, however, with all the news that’s come out about systemic sexual harassment and abuse in Hollywood and elsewhere, as well as the issues being faced by the LGBTQ community in this modern political climate, it’s become much harder to justify maintaining a zero-tolerance approach – and with a lot of Japanese games starting to really push the boundaries of “good taste” more and more, the looming threat of censorship has become much larger and more imposing than ever, and certainly more of a beast to fight on multiple levels. And it’s really not a battle I WANT to fight – I’d rather just localize games that everybody can enjoy!
I still hold firm in my belief, however, that if we want video games to be classified as an art form on par with books, films, and paintings, we need to maintain zero tolerance for censorship in localization, no matter how offensive the content we’re localizing may be. And if there’s any positive to be gained by doing so, it’s that the presence of offensive content in localized titles will spark much-needed discussion about those topics, and hopefully lead to a dialogue on the state of the industry in Japan, possibly even resulting in creators being a little more cognizant of people outside their tight-knit circle of acquaintances when designing new titles from here on out.
But for the immediate future, I believe content alteration will occur a little more often in the West than it has before (hopefully not by us, but regrettably, that isn’t outside the realm of possibility!), while little else will change for the industry overseas. My solace lies in the thought that we’ll just keep getting more games like the Zwei titles to work on: superb examples of classic action JRPG design with content that’s often snarky and a little mischievous, but never crosses the line into offensive territory, and thus isn’t at any risk of being toned down in localization. Those remain a joy to work on, and the more games of that sort I’m given, the less worried I’ll be about censorship moving forward.

The titles. We need to talk about the game titles...
What is it that makes Japanese naming conventions so different? How do you approach localizing a game's title, and what does it take to make it work in the West?


Tom: I don’t think most Japanese naming conventions are all that different, honestly, save for the fact that they’re usually much longer than the names we tend to see here (with subtitles on top of subtitles, e.g. “Corpse Party: BloodCovered: …Repeated Fear”). Which, I believe, is mostly attributable to some general differences in the way games are advertised in Japan, with more text meaning a bigger poster on the wall and more space allotted to discuss the game in print… not to mention the ability to strike a pose and rattle off a long name, looking and sounding kind of dorkily awesome in the process!
In the Western world, though, we’re definitely all about succinct naming: something short and to the point, that rolls off the tongue, with one or two words being the ideal. Especially if it’s unique enough to be Googlable! We want the name to be easy to remember so that prospective fans can always find information on it at a moment’s notice, even if they haven’t heard anyone talking about the game for quite some time.
I assume you’re speaking more in terms of translations, though (“Sen no Kiseki” → “Trails of Cold Steel”), as well as the rare addition of subtitles (“Zwei!!” → “Zwei: The Arges Adventure”). In the former case, the goal is to come up with something that remains relatively true to the original Japanese but still sounds snappy and natural in English, with bonus points for picking a name that perfectly fits the tone and content of the game (as “Trails of Cold Steel” most definitely does).
And in the latter case, we were really just trying to avoid drawing attention to the fact that we were releasing “Zwei II” before “Zwei” – a luxury afforded us by the fact that the two games tell standalone stories, and necessitated by the fact that Zwei II was finished and ready for release quite a bit sooner. We considered numerous possible subtitles for both games, but ultimately chose “The Ilvard Insurrection” for Zwei II because… well, it preserved the acronym, “Zwei:II”!
We attempted something similar with the first game, but despite our best attempts, we couldn’t come up with any viable names that would form the acronyms ONE, EINS, or even WAN, nor any single-word subtitles beginning with the letter I. We settled on AA to preserve the double lettering of Ilvard Insurrection, and because A is the first letter of the alphabet… and also because the first Zwei is a pretty tough game, so we anticipated a lot of people would be saying “AAAAAA” when playing it!
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This is why GOG doesn't do more interviews. :P
Post edited January 31, 2018 by tfishell
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tfishell: This is why GOG doesn't do more interviews. :P
honestly, i think they do this just for the arguments. they're probably sick of us complaining about the elephant in the room (galaxy) all the time, and want to take breaks now and then..
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kohlrak: Honestly, i don't believe the zero tolerance. As we can see from the fighting, not everyone agrees on what is censorship and what is necessary editing.
I think that tolerance itself as a concept is flawed. If you don't agree with something than you should fight for you beliefs. Of course you can lose. And of course you don't have to fight to the end - not all battles are winnable and sometimes you have to make "tactical retreat" instead of just bashing in futile efforts.

But still problems must be dealt with. You can't just sit and tolerate something that you think is wrong only because someone else told you to tolerate. (And by "you" I don't mean personally you, but anyone. At least that's my opinion.)

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kohlrak: I was honored that square thought to revive the dead in a church. I was dishonored that they caved to nintendo.
Actually this moment always confused me. Not as censorship, but as logic. If KO'ed characters do participate in the cutscenes they obviously not dead. So it makes more sense for them to be considered in very bad shape that can be cured in a hospital.
Post edited January 31, 2018 by LootHunter
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kohlrak: Honestly, i don't believe the zero tolerance. As we can see from the fighting, not everyone agrees on what is censorship and what is necessary editing.
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LootHunter: I think that tolerance itself as a concept is flawed. If you don't agree with something than you should fight for you beliefs. Of course you can lose. And of course you don't have to fight to the end - not all battles are winnable and sometimes you have to make "tactical retreat" instead of just bashing in futile efforts.
Tolerance as a concept is how much pain you're willing to surrender to for what you want. Tolerance is the level of compromise you have until you put your foot down. Compromise is important if you want something. Technically, tolerance is how much you're willing to pay for something, as well. The thing with tolerance, is that it's really relative, and it can change at any time. Zero tolerance is the only way to be consistent at all times, short of complete tolerance (which we would call one of many other names instead). Frankly, tolerance is necessary in this field (else translation cannot happen, since at certain levels, censorship vs translation becomes quite questionable), which is basically what we got to in this topic, which means the zero tolerance stance is puffery. He might take a much harder stance than others, but that's not zero tolerance.
But still problems must be dealt with. You can't just sit and tolerate something that you think is wrong only because someone else told you to tolerate. (And by "you" I don't mean personally you, but anyone. At least that's my opinion.)

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kohlrak: I was honored that square thought to revive the dead in a church. I was dishonored that they caved to nintendo.
Actually this moment always confused me. Not as censorship, but as logic. If KO'ed characters do participate in the cutscenes they obviously not dead. So it makes more sense for them to be considered in very bad shape that can be cured in a hospital.
In games where cutscenes are a thing, your logic is sound, but I'm referencing a game with no cutscenes.
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bluewave256: This is why I do not buy translated games anymore. Too much arrogance from the unitedstatians. I do not trust anyone of them. They are subtle dishonests who want to shove their puritan and hypocritical so called values on us europeans who do not need anything teached by them.
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RafaelRamus: First, I'm sorry I don't have time to read this entire thread and the all the love between you bluewave256 and Kohlrack. But I found this quote above so hilarious I felt I had to step in. Here is the thing: if unitedstatians are to blame for censorship, why is it then that almost EVERY TIME I'm looking to buy a game in the international market (I'm Italo-Brazilian) I have to go for the North American version of the game if I want to AVOID the censorship of the EUROPEAN version of the game?

Just taking an example from the JRPG sale here on GOG that ends later today: Agarest 2 was censored in EUROPE by PEGI (which is officially supported by Italy), but NOT in the US version. Too bad the version from GOG is apparently based on the PEGI one.

I really don't get where you're going. I may be looking from afar but after visiting both the US and Europe, let me tell you, as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to Censorship and the fight against the SJW-PC police, the U.S. has at least not capitulated already without a fight...
PEGI does not censor anything because it do not have this power because it is simply a regulating organism of the European Union operated by an independent software organization called Interactive Software Federation of Europe representing the sector so in reality it is not independent at all.

If there was censorship in Agarest is because the english publisher Ghostlight used the german reculating organism the USK that is the most restrictive on the planet together with the australian oneas a basis to censor the game.
You can see the pattern? In the previous posts I have said that the hypocrite moralism of the United States of a part of north america is a byproduct of british moralism and hypocrisy being them a byproduct of british imperialism and colonialism. So tell me, what is strange here?

So PEGI does not censor anything as you can see. Also Italy is only one of the 28 countries of the EU.

Yes you are looking from afar.

Was The Witcher 1 censored in Europe? No, it was censored in United States for example. And many other examples. By the way you know european versions do not exist right? We always receive the unitedstatian or north american ones.

It is a capitalist problem. Those publishers do not care at all about consumers. They censor things, put DRM in them, cut game parts and sell them as DLCs later. So joke about my ideals all you want you lot I am to right part of history.
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bluewave256: You confirm you are clearly not sane. You can not understand a logic reasoning. I tried to reason with you even if you are beyond hope because I am a good person but you are really unsalvageable.
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kohlrak: By definition i'm quite sane. By definition, your lack of answer to the question defines you as very insane, by extension of "irrational." My question is quite rational. My question is a logical question, and you provided no logical answer for it.

So what we have, here, is projection, which we frequently see from the left, and it's also how they justify hypocrisy.
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LootHunter: Actually, human culture existed for more than 2000 years. And through that time people were generally quite indeffirent to subject of race. It is US where racism really took shape. First against native americans, who were driven to reservations, then to people of color, who were brought to America as slaves, and now white people are getting the same treatment. All this stems from one single thing - US belief in their moral superiority.
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kohlrak: Actually, most native americans ended up intermixing with white people, hence the disappearance. A few groups were pretty much anti-white, and these were typically the same groups that had issues with other tribes, too. As for reservations, i agree they should not have been done, yet it's getting old how little context is placed into the matter when ti's talked about.

As for slavery, it's been practiced by everyone all over the world. Actually, IIRC, the US was one of the first 10 countries to abolish slavery. In fact, in some countries, it's still practiced today, like in Libya.

But, you're right about moral superiority. Everyone thinks they have it towards everyone. The fact that people are coming after the US for it also precludes that those coming after us feel the same way: that they're superior. Frankly, that's the basis of human differences: everyone thinks they have the right way. If someone has a different idea, they're wrong, otherwise would you not adopt the way of someone doing better than you? If you're better than that other person, because you don't agree with them and become like them, then they must be doing something immoral or must immorally have better chances than you.
The fact that you say United States were one of the first 10 countries to abolish slavery is total bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom

As you can see that is not true. Lol Venice abolished slavery in fucking 960. You only abolished slavery after your civil war in 1861. Good job guys! Also that is not the end of it because there is also the apartheid regime you imposed on black coloured ethnicities until the 70s.

So your argument is lies. Italy never had slaves for example. Also my people the sardinians never had slaves and we are a people much older than all of you. We predate even the latins.
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kohlrak: I was honored that square thought to revive the dead in a church. I was dishonored that they caved to nintendo.
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LootHunter: Actually this moment always confused me. Not as censorship, but as logic. If KO'ed characters do participate in the cutscenes they obviously not dead. So it makes more sense for them to be considered in very bad shape that can be cured in a hospital.
What about when dead characters participate in cutscenes? In Final Fantasy 5, if you wait until after a certain event to go to a certain inn (doing so isn't hard because the game provides you with items that let you sleep outside, as well as other ways of restoring MP), a character who is actually dead (as in, actually plot dead) will participate in a cutscene.
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RafaelRamus: First, I'm sorry I don't have time to read this entire thread and the all the love between you bluewave256 and Kohlrack. But I found this quote above so hilarious I felt I had to step in. Here is the thing: if unitedstatians are to blame for censorship, why is it then that almost EVERY TIME I'm looking to buy a game in the international market (I'm Italo-Brazilian) I have to go for the North American version of the game if I want to AVOID the censorship of the EUROPEAN version of the game?

Just taking an example from the JRPG sale here on GOG that ends later today: Agarest 2 was censored in EUROPE by PEGI (which is officially supported by Italy), but NOT in the US version. Too bad the version from GOG is apparently based on the PEGI one.

I really don't get where you're going. I may be looking from afar but after visiting both the US and Europe, let me tell you, as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to Censorship and the fight against the SJW-PC police, the U.S. has at least not capitulated already without a fight...
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bluewave256: PEGI does not censor anything because it do not have this power because it is simply a regulating organism of the European Union operated by an independent software organization called Interactive Software Federation of Europe representing the sector so in reality it is not independent at all.
So the PEGI rating it receives doesn't factor in?
If there was censorship in Agarest is because the english publisher Ghostlight used the german reculating organism the USK that is the most restrictive on the planet together with the australian oneas a basis to censor the game.
"german recculating organism the usk"

Wut?
You can see the pattern? In the previous posts I have said that the hypocrite moralism of the United States of a part of north america is a byproduct of british moralism and hypocrisy being them a byproduct of british imperialism and colonialism. So tell me, what is strange here?
It just so happens we're the ones with the big booms, and we had a lot of gold at one point, so the world reserve currency is the USD. This gives us a wealth of power. You know what happens when people get alot of power? They call the shots. Don't believe me, go dig up Mussolini and ask him.
So PEGI does not censor anything as you can see. Also Italy is only one of the 28 countries of the EU.

Yes you are looking from afar.

Was The Witcher 1 censored in Europe? No, it was censored in United States for example. And many other examples. By the way you know european versions do not exist right? We always receive the unitedstatian or north american ones.
Actually, i'm in the US, and my version of The Witcher 1 comes with the european version nude cards. Vesna Hood is quite loud, too.
It is a capitalist problem. Those publishers do not care at all about consumers. They censor things, put DRM in them, cut game parts and sell them as DLCs later. So joke about my ideals all you want you lot I am to right part of history.
You do realize that we wouldn't even have anything to censor without capitalism, right? Capitalism isn't the problem.

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kohlrak: I honestly thought he was trolling me from the start.

At first i thought i was being trolled. Now i see you're genuinely unhinged.

Shush, you're interrupting the narrative. Out of curiosity, what was censored and should i buy it on gog should i ever change my views on games with bad reviews for hardcore grind-fests?
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bluewave256: So if someone dissent is he trolling?
Typical unitedstatian fascist mentality.
Pro-tip: Americans didn't elect a fascist like Italy did. It's not like he didn't straight up call himself a fascist, either, that Mussolini. I don't think it's the US that has a fascism problem.
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LootHunter: Actually this moment always confused me. Not as censorship, but as logic. If KO'ed characters do participate in the cutscenes they obviously not dead. So it makes more sense for them to be considered in very bad shape that can be cured in a hospital.
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dtgreene: What about when dead characters participate in cutscenes? In Final Fantasy 5, if you wait until after a certain event to go to a certain inn (doing so isn't hard because the game provides you with items that let you sleep outside, as well as other ways of restoring MP), a character who is actually dead (as in, actually plot dead) will participate in a cutscene.
Maybe, but i'm a bit more focused on Final Fantasy I.
Post edited January 31, 2018 by kohlrak
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kohlrak: I was honored that square thought to revive the dead in a church. I was dishonored that they caved to nintendo.
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LootHunter: Actually this moment always confused me. Not as censorship, but as logic. If KO'ed characters do participate in the cutscenes they obviously not dead. So it makes more sense for them to be considered in very bad shape that can be cured in a hospital.
In recent years, I have come to the conclusion that, in worlds with an arcane/divine magic split exists, it would make more sense for arcane magic to have healing and resurrection, and divine to have the more powerful offensive spells and the mind influencing spells.

Then again, it is worth noting that I am an atheist; that could have something to do with this.
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kohlrak: By definition i'm quite sane. By definition, your lack of answer to the question defines you as very insane, by extension of "irrational." My question is quite rational. My question is a logical question, and you provided no logical answer for it.

So what we have, here, is projection, which we frequently see from the left, and it's also how they justify hypocrisy.

Actually, most native americans ended up intermixing with white people, hence the disappearance. A few groups were pretty much anti-white, and these were typically the same groups that had issues with other tribes, too. As for reservations, i agree they should not have been done, yet it's getting old how little context is placed into the matter when ti's talked about.

As for slavery, it's been practiced by everyone all over the world. Actually, IIRC, the US was one of the first 10 countries to abolish slavery. In fact, in some countries, it's still practiced today, like in Libya.

But, you're right about moral superiority. Everyone thinks they have it towards everyone. The fact that people are coming after the US for it also precludes that those coming after us feel the same way: that they're superior. Frankly, that's the basis of human differences: everyone thinks they have the right way. If someone has a different idea, they're wrong, otherwise would you not adopt the way of someone doing better than you? If you're better than that other person, because you don't agree with them and become like them, then they must be doing something immoral or must immorally have better chances than you.
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bluewave256: The fact that you say United States were one of the first 10 countries to abolish slavery is total bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom

As you can see that is not true. Lol Venice abolished slavery in fucking 960. You only abolished slavery after your civil war in 1861. Good job guys! Also that is not the end of it because there is also the apartheid regime you imposed on black coloured ethnicities until the 70s.

So your argument is lies. Italy never had slaves for example. Also my people the sardinians never had slaves and we are a people much older than all of you. We predate even the latins.
Looks like the US was 10. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-slavery/chronology-who-banned-slavery-when-idUSL1561464920070322
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LootHunter: Actually this moment always confused me. Not as censorship, but as logic. If KO'ed characters do participate in the cutscenes they obviously not dead. So it makes more sense for them to be considered in very bad shape that can be cured in a hospital.
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dtgreene: In recent years, I have come to the conclusion that, in worlds with an arcane/divine magic split exists, it would make more sense for arcane magic to have healing and resurrection, and divine to have the more powerful offensive spells and the mind influencing spells.

Then again, it is worth noting that I am an atheist; that could have something to do with this.
The split is a bit more artificial than you think. Alot of the magic comes from old traditions that come from old religions. Typically, a religion that was "abolished" or disappeared, the god(s) of that religion would become a "demon." Slowly even the demon disappears. Certain literatures have helped preserve exceptions to this rule, however, which are the pantheons we're familiar with today.
Post edited January 31, 2018 by kohlrak
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bluewave256: The fact that you say United States were one of the first 10 countries to abolish slavery is total bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom

As you can see that is not true. Lol Venice abolished slavery in fucking 960. You only abolished slavery after your civil war in 1861. Good job guys! Also that is not the end of it because there is also the apartheid regime you imposed on black coloured ethnicities until the 70s.

So your argument is lies. Italy never had slaves for example. Also my people the sardinians never had slaves and we are a people much older than all of you. We predate even the latins.
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kohlrak: Looks like the US was 10. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-slavery/chronology-who-banned-slavery-when-idUSL1561464920070322
I posted the Wikipedia list. You are not in the first ten. Even if you repeat a lie thousand times, it does not become true, it remains a lie.
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bluewave256: By the way you know european versions do not exist right? We always receive the unitedstatian or north american ones.
European versions do exist for some games.

For example, the European version of Final Fantasy 4 Advance differs from the US version in that the European version is based of the Japanese 1.1 version, which has some bug fixes (including one for a bug that can delete your saves). The US version, on the other hand, was based off the Japanese 1.0 release; while Europeans had to wait, they got a less buggy version of the game.
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bluewave256: I posted the Wikipedia list. You are not in the first ten. Even if you repeat a lie thousand times, it does not become true, it remains a lie.
My list is a list of countries, your list a list of territories. Actually, around the time the the US abolished slavery, venice lost it's sovreignty to Italy, who then still had slavery in effect.
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kohlrak: My list is a list of countries, your list a list of territories. Actually, around the time the the US abolished slavery, venice lost it's sovreignty to Italy, who then still had slavery in effect.
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bluewave256: Italy never had slavery. I repeat. Do not invent lies.
First link on google: https://medium.com/the-history-buff/slavery-in-medieval-italy-cb189ae45933
Also no one elected Mussolini. He came to power with a military coup. And why would I support him if I am a left wing anarchist? Are you dumb? You must be a redneck.
The people of Italy could have opposed him, even in subsequent elections for a peaceful solution. If you don't oppose tyranny, you support it. I consider that election enough.
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richlind33: You sound frustrated, m8. Someone piss in your cheerios?
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bluewave256: I am not your mate. Mind your manner of speaking.
I do not eat shitty sugar made garbage food made by your shithole country.
I am not frustated at all. On the contrary, I have ideals, I respect them and I live by them. Do you call this being frustrated. I call this being alive. You instead are dead. You only "live" to consume. You do not have any other purpose. You do not have any ideal. You only think about money and using other persons for your objective. You are subservient slaves to the market.
Am I an asshole? Hell yeah! lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JoKJsjtLxw