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General discussionIf you have any dignity, then you will boycott PREY and Bethesda.(168 posts)(168 posts)
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Posted February 02, 2017
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MaximeMartyr: I summed it up in the original post though...
You only compared it to how men react when women reject them. So what, did Beth send love letters or stalk them on facebook? You forgot to tell us the actual happenings we should be pissed about.
Posted February 02, 2017
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Siannah: No, I won't.
You are the guys claiming "that's what happened" yet failing to prove it.
You are the guys relying on assumptions and hearsay, failing on facts.
You are the guy claiming Bethesda benefiting from it, then ducking the question on how they did.

It could have been pure coincidence. It could have been that the HH guy on Twitter lied and the demo was all that actually worked of the game. It could have been that Bethesda wanted higher standards than HHS, because Beth already felt burned from lukewarm receptions of Brink and Hunted: The Demon's Forge (both supported by massive marketing).
And yes it could have been the way you guys described.
The keyword here (in all cases): could have. There's simply no evidence justifying a claim that it was so or not.

If you guys feel that way, fine. If you guys believe that's what happened, fine. If you guys want to take action and won't buy any Bethesda products, fine. Nobody is holding you back and telling you, you shouldn't.

But if you have the guts to ask from others to join you, questioning their dignity if they don't, you better have something in your hand to support your beliefs that's capable of holding more than a teaspoon of water. Otherwise you're the ones lacking dignity by failing to back your story up, yet claiming it to be the truth. The new term "alternative facts" comes to mind quickly.
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richlind33: That's a cowardly response to a reasonable and straightforward question. You've repeatedly taken issue with my observations and implied that we "don't know anything", so I ask if you are quite sure of that because it's an inaccurate characterization. We do, in fact, know a few things. Yet you pretend that that isn't the case, while suggesting that my reasoning is fallacious. Personally, I think you should seriously consider raising your standards, because you dishonor yourself by behaving in this manner.
No it isn't. We have two parties, one claiming the game not meeting their expectations, the other one (I guess) convinced that it should have done so. Which one is the truth, is simply not provable.

Despite that it's not provable either way, you (and others) claim Bethesda not only being the culprit here, but attempting a hostile takeover. The "proof" is a guy from HHS claiming that "Prey 2 was a full game. And a crazy fun one" and one guy on the net claiming that a hostile takeover was attempted.
That's pretty much all you guys have.

Now you demand from me a guess at what happened, despite that I stated multiple times that no one can really know, even less prove it.
You're the accuser here, failing to prove your claims and now demanding from me to prove you wrong.
You're the one claiming Bethesda benefiting from this, but failing to tell us how.

For the umpteenth time: I'm not claiming how you see it is wrong and not possible that it was so. I do however claim you have literally nothing of substance to back it up, which puts the whole story under speculation, assumptions and allegations.
If that is enough for you make a judgement against Bethesda for yourself, again, fine. To convince others you might have to add a lot more substance to it - because you pretty much have none.
Posted February 02, 2017
People on GOG regularily condemn other developers with far less evidence in mind, even hearsay is enough to cause a ruckus here. Some developers are treated differently than others, that is for sure. It's just the way things are. Those with "gaming principles" should stick to them and be consistent in applying their ethical rules, otherwise it just looks fake to people who notice the inconsistency.

Any research done by amateurs is questionable. Not even professional journalists at IGN and GameSpot recognize the proper way of doing research, especially if it revolves around numbers. So how much trust should you place in people who probably have even less journalistic training than a games journalist ?!
Posted February 03, 2017
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richlind33: That's a cowardly response to a reasonable and straightforward question. You've repeatedly taken issue with my observations and implied that we "don't know anything", so I ask if you are quite sure of that because it's an inaccurate characterization. We do, in fact, know a few things. Yet you pretend that that isn't the case, while suggesting that my reasoning is fallacious. Personally, I think you should seriously consider raising your standards, because you dishonor yourself by behaving in this manner.
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Siannah: No it isn't. We have two parties, one claiming the game not meeting their expectations, the other one (I guess) convinced that it should have done so. Which one is the truth, is simply not provable.

Despite that it's not provable either way, you (and others) claim Bethesda not only being the culprit here, but attempting a hostile takeover. The "proof" is a guy from HHS claiming that "Prey 2 was a full game. And a crazy fun one" and one guy on the net claiming that a hostile takeover was attempted.
That's pretty much all you guys have.

Now you demand from me a guess at what happened, despite that I stated multiple times that no one can really know, even less prove it.
You're the accuser here, failing to prove your claims and now demanding from me to prove you wrong.
You're the one claiming Bethesda benefiting from this, but failing to tell us how.

For the umpteenth time: I'm not claiming how you see it is wrong and not possible that it was so. I do however claim you have literally nothing of substance to back it up, which puts the whole story under speculation, assumptions and allegations.
If that is enough for you make a judgement against Bethesda for yourself, again, fine. To convince others you might have to add a lot more substance to it - because you pretty much have none.
Sure you are, because I'm claiming that there IS some substantial evidence. And yes, something significant DID occur between the point when Bethesda decided to try and acquire HHS and the point when it started withholding funds, and it's a matter of public record.

Since I really am a very nice guy, I'll give you a little hint: hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. ;p
Posted February 03, 2017
Actually, what was shown of Prey 2 before (you know the whole "open world" sci-fi bounty hunter game) I did not like. THAT I would boycott because it was NOTHING like the first game. This one? This is a damn reboot, nothing more, nothing else. Just like TR2013, a game I did not like yet is a reboot. Since a reboot is a "new series" that doesn't change what came before in any way (like a sequel to Blade Runner does by answering a very important question about Deckard) then I just don't care. I think there are things more deserving of a boycott in order to "preserve one's dignity". Just my 2 cents.
Posted February 03, 2017
I wasn't planning on purchasing (The new and 'improved') Prey. Sure, it looks neat and weird (and not exactly weird in a good way), but what in the unholy **** happened to the original storyline?! Prey was one of the first games I owned on Xbox360 and every now and then, I pop on a gameplay video (since my 360 broke down about 3 days after purchasing it) and my friends actually enjoy watching someone play through the twisted alien storyline.

Now, aside from my reminiscing... it seems as though Bethesda is becoming the new EA Games (which absorbed Westwood Studios, Bullfrog, and many other great game studios if I'm not mistaken), the slimy toads they are. Sad. I quite liked where Prey 2 was heading. I imagine the people that created Brink stole their parkour movement idea. (I have no proof, but Brink claims to be the first game with fluid, parkour-like movement as seen in the gameplay demo of Prey 2, which would have been scheduled for release sooner than Brink?)

It's just too bad My buddy and I recently threw money in on a PS4 and purchased Doom, Skyrim SE, and Fallout 4 before knowing this. Let's hope they don't off us for exposing their criminal nature :P
Posted November 27, 2018
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hmm the replies are more telling than the OP.

you "summary" skills suck OP.
Posted November 27, 2018
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Layarion: you "summary" skills suck OP.
In summary here is my 4000 page dissertation on the nature of predatory capitalism delivered via smoke signal and interpretive dance.
Posted November 27, 2018
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Layarion: you "summary" skills suck OP.
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firstpastthepost: the nature of predatory capitalism
Remember when turned invisible and started jumping around the trees and all the guys couldn't see him and he kept killing them?



That was awesome!
Post edited November 27, 2018 by tinyE
Posted November 28, 2018
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bethesda may be bad, but:

1st gog/cdpr red is worse

2nd tes 6!! i can't see any reason so far to not buy tes 6 when its released, even if its full with denuvo and crap like that, because i wanna play that game

so i guess i wanna say that bethesda isn't that bad in my eyes
Posted November 28, 2018
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apehater: bethesda may be bad, but:

1st gog/cdpr red is worse

2nd tes 6!! i can't see any reason so far to not buy tes 6 when its released, even if its full with denuvo and crap like that, because i wanna play that game

so i guess i wanna say that bethesda isn't that bad in my eyes
The peanut gallery has spoken.
Posted December 12, 2018
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Narakir: It's a shame Prey 2 never got released and Besthesda were awful on this one, but do we really need to punish Arkane studios, their work and talent and not play a potentially good game because of what happened ? No.
What talent? Arkane is not showing any talent in this stupid game! or you really think that something so ridiculous like those "Typhon" or the equally ridiculous power of turning oneself into a coffee mug has anything to do with talent? to me, that looks more like something born from laziness and lack of inspiration.
Posted December 12, 2018
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Narakir: It's a shame Prey 2 never got released and Besthesda were awful on this one, but do we really need to punish Arkane studios, their work and talent and not play a potentially good game because of what happened ? No.
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RobouteGuilliman1: What talent? Arkane is not showing any talent in this stupid game! or you really think that something so ridiculous like those "Typhon" or the equally ridiculous power of turning oneself into a coffee mug has anything to do with talent? to me, that looks more like something born from laziness and lack of inspiration.
Damn you went all the way to dig up and necro my almost two years old comment before the game was even released to start a fight, get a grip man.
Posted December 12, 2018
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RobouteGuilliman1: What talent? Arkane is not showing any talent in this stupid game! or you really think that something so ridiculous like those "Typhon" or the equally ridiculous power of turning oneself into a coffee mug has anything to do with talent? to me, that looks more like something born from laziness and lack of inspiration.
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Narakir: Damn you went all the way to dig up and necro my almost two years old comment before the game was even released to start a fight, get a grip man.
Any excuse to post this GIF
Posted December 12, 2018
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jonridan: Actually, what was shown of Prey 2 before (you know the whole "open world" sci-fi bounty hunter game) I did not like. THAT I would boycott because it was NOTHING like the first game. This one? This is a damn reboot, nothing more, nothing else. Just like TR2013, a game I did not like yet is a reboot. Since a reboot is a "new series" that doesn't change what came before in any way (like a sequel to Blade Runner does by answering a very important question about Deckard) then I just don't care. I think there are things more deserving of a boycott in order to "preserve one's dignity". Just my 2 cents.
If Prey 2 has nothing to do with Prey 2006, you can thank Bethesda Markeitng Department for this -- they were the ones that said "no one would identify themselves with Tommy's Native America spiritual goals" and that Tommy was "too whiney" to be the protagonist. But Prey 2 was set in the same universe of Prey'06 and Tommy would be present as an ally and quest giver.

Oh, and Prey In Name Only is not a reboot. Tomb Rider, Rise of Tomb Rider and Shadow of the Tomb Raider are reboots. Prey In Name Only is just a stupid, unrelated game.
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RobouteGuilliman1: What talent? Arkane is not showing any talent in this stupid game! or you really think that something so ridiculous like those "Typhon" or the equally ridiculous power of turning oneself into a coffee mug has anything to do with talent? to me, that looks more like something born from laziness and lack of inspiration.
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Narakir: Damn you went all the way to dig up and necro my almost two years old comment before the game was even released to start a fight, get a grip man.
I wil not "get a grip" (whatever that means).
Post edited December 12, 2018 by RobouteGuilliman1
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