Congratulations, Exoanthrope. Enjoy your game. And thanks DreamedArtist for teaching us about this game.

Gratz, mate! Enjoy the show :P

braindead is still one of the goriest movies ive ever seen
i have the vhs somewhere around here

i tend to compartmentalize the nightmare on elm street series

1 and 3 are one story with a beginning and an end and they complement each other well

2 is its own entity when the series was still fluid and the rules werent set in stone it can be on its own or wedged in between 1 and 3

4 5 and 6 ( sadly ) form their own trilogy
sadly because while 4 is decent ( but not spectacular and just a repeat of 3 ) 5 and 6 go off the rails
and its these 3 that turned freddy from menacing to one liner spouting Saturday morning cartoon cereal fodder
i havent even watched 6 more then once thats how much i loath it

and i regard 1 and 7 ( new nightmare) as their own entity as well
possibly with 3 in there as well

i call evil dead 2013 evil dead 4 because of that little in joke at the end
and because the scenario of the whole movie could have happened before in fact the movie it self points out that it has happened before
right from the start and the way the book is :"annotated"
so if the evil force is behind it its reasonable to assume it has happened before numerous times
so its easy to tie it in to evil dead 1 and 2
or just evil dead 1 if you prefer

i do have a few "issues" with the storyline

eric translating the book even with the copious warnings written in the damn thing
and saying the incantations outloud
thats just asking for trouble
i would have preferred the evil dead 1 way listening to a recording of a professor translating it

speaking of eric i dont like the way the movie seems to have it in for him
the amount of damage he gets to endure during the movies borders on the ludicrous and delves in to the cartoonish in how over the top it is
he really gets pulled through the mangle

and finally i dislike how almost effortlessly mia pulls off her fucking hand in the end and seems rather blase about losing it

but i like the practical effects too and its a great addition tot he series and doesnt disgrace the name evil dead

its not as giddy fun and over the top as 2 or deranged and menacing and borderline campy as evil dead 1 ( depsite being dead serious the acting is so sos and the special effects are ....syruppy )

but it brings its own kind of dread and menace to the table and it is extremely fast compared to most movies that are bloated to 150 minutes or longer these days
its 90 minutes and doesnt let up once
i like the music too

speaking of remakes
i saw the following
nightmare on elmstreet

halloween

texas chainsaw massacre

and friday the 13th

nightmare on elmstreet : ...okay ish
its certainly not bad or awfull and healey is decent as freddy but englund is still the real thing
and the remake is less its own thing and more a greatest hits version of the previous 7 movies
and if i want to see that i might as well rewatch 1 2 and 3

halloween :
mleh is about my reaction to that

texas chainsaw massacre
i dont like the original
i dont like the remake either

friday the 13th
same problem with nightmare on elmstreet applies here
its a greates hits version of the franchise
mostly cobbeld from 1 2 and 3
the shock ending from 1
the sack boy mask from 2
and the hockey mask from 3
all smushed together

A hardy congratulations to the giveaway winner. I hope you enjoy your new game!! :)

I have a soft spot for the cheesiness of the latter Nightmare movies, but I completely understand your thoughts and views on the earlier ones and later films. 1, 3 and 4 (and 5 as well) are easily my favourites of the series. New Nightmare was an interesting piece and I did enjoy it for what it was.

As for (new) Evil Dead, I agree with a lot of your points. I also like that it's ambiguous as to it's place in the Evil Dead universe which can add to the mystique of the film. I also agree that Eric was being a rather large dumbass ignoring the signs presented as to why the Necronomicon should have NOT been even touched. Though a simple nod to him having some mild (I say mild because the powers of the book being weakened from the binding) possession to get him to help restore the dark forces to their former "glory" would have been nice. It would at least help make what he did make more sense if they wanted to have him be the one that brought the evil of the book down upon them.

Eric did seem to feel like the film's whipping boy, and while he did take the brunt of the torment, that could come down to karma biting him for playing with things he didn't understand. The whole 'you reap what you sow' mentality I mean.

As for Mia, while on one hand I can agree that her pulling her hand off was a bit lazy on the part of the film makers, you could assume that came from a degree of adrenalin, fear for her life and maybe even a degree of power still held from her possession left over even though she was saved by her brother and friends. As for the whole blase about the loss of her extremity could come down to major case shock and post traumatic stress from all she went through. Yeah I know that's a bit of the easy way out to explain it but it would make the most sense.

I agree, the film does at the very least live up to the name and the use of practical effects to convey the horror, as well as actually USING atmospheric horror helps make the film stand up as a decent (for the most part) movie.

I wanted to like the remake of Nightmare, and I really like Jacky Earl Haley as an actor, but I found the movie a little too trying to do too much and ending up doing very little. I admit it had potential and the casting was decent, but sadly it fell short. I also agree Robert Englund is always going to be Freddy no matter who else tries to take the role. Very nice guy to talk to as well. :)

I am surprised Rob Zombie's take on Halloween wasn't much better, but then again it has similar problems as I felt Nightmare did.

Yeah, I also agree with your view on Friday the 13th. It should have picked a limited number of themes from the original and stuck with those. The problem I have with Friday the 13th, as well as the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remakes is that I can't really remember much about them, a few scenes here and there, but for the most part easily forgettable.

i suppose i could enjoy the later nightmare movies if watched in isolation
but to me the series just started to decline and became campier and campier
6 isnt even scary its more comedy then horror and freddy himself looked less like a burn victim and more like a guy in a rubebr mask

compared to the moribund horror the inventive horror of 2 and the fantasy horror of 3 this is a step down

new nightmare is certainly interesting in a meta way
and a better send off then 6 at the very least

i agree a nod or a hint that he had a slight obsession towards the book would have helped a lot
even if it was just a flash of green in his eyes
otherwise a dictaphone ( or iphone or whatever ) with the translation would have worked just as well with out deliberately poking the hornest nest

i know why eric is the movies whipping boy
he opened the book he translated the incantation and as such he is being punished for it
i just think its a bit over the top

he gets stabbed in the face and arm with an injection needle
then shot repeatedly with a nail gun
the has his hand split with a crowbar
then gets stabbed with a box cutter
and finally is possessed himself

its a bit too much

all those reasons you cited for mia is reason enough for me to think that she should and could have lifted the car far enough to pull her hand out and then start chainsawing
but you are right she probably was in shock at the end of the movie
it wasnt exactly a cakewalk

the new evil dead is a decent movie fits with the rest of the movies in the series
even if its a little torture porny* in places
and best of al its not an actual remake
it just uses the same circumstances and as the opening of the movie makes clear this isnt the first time this happend

i can accept that the book is just waiting for people to lure in and then sacrifice

( * i dont like saw 1 for the simple fact that i just cant belive the "big shocker" at the end
i find it hard to believe that anybody can lie down in the same position for so long with out involuntary muscles spasms coughing breathing or cramps
the game should have been up even well before the movie began )

nightmare on elmstreet 2010 shoudl have been good
but it isnt its just a bland remake of the greatest hits of freddy's greatest hits
it should have been its own entity instead of just slavishly trying to fit in the most memorable things from the original
maybe if craven himself was more closely involved

hopefully englund will play freddy one more time in a proper elmstreet movie but i kinda doubt that
even so he did went out on a somewhat high note in freddy vs jason

i do remember one thing from the halloween II remake but not because its scary but because its so over the top silly
micheal corners a nurse with a knife who is understandably freaking out
she tried to run away trips and fall on the floor
and micheal stabs her
so far so slasher
and then he stabs her
again
and again
and again
for at least 20 seconds and it goes from scary and disturbing to ludicrous
and thats all i remember from the remakes

that cant be a good sign ;p

friday the 13th should have been its own entity but no its a greatest hits compilation

maybe the next one which will be the actual 13th entry
that should be memorable paramount !

I completely agree, as much as I get a kick out of 6, it is in no way a Nightmare movie with the exception of Englund's always fantastic performance. I also see your reasoning for your opinions on the other entries.

Yeah, that oversight on the part of Eric's reasoning for reading and working on the book is sad, but fortunately doesn't kill the film as a whole. I also agree his fate was a bit overkill, a simple one or two of the things that happened to him (maybe three if you include possession) should have sufficed. Yeah, my only thought is people sometimes do stupid things when they are panicked, but in the end they probably just wanted to play up her parallel to Ash. Though in Ash's case it made a lick more sense as to why he removed his hand.

I agree, the new Evil Dead was the best kind of remake, it was a re-imagining of the story rather than trying to recapture what made the original trilogy great. Yeah, I can see why you reference possible torture porn-y things, but thank all that is good that it didn't over indulge in them like some films. Yeah, I like that it makes it evident that it's history repeating itself over and over again for the book's own dark enjoyment.

Yeah, either for some sadistic pleasure or to feed it's demonic lodgers.

I wanted Nightmare 2010 to be good, but my problem with it (much like my issues with some TV shows) is it's lack of subtly, and ambiguity. I mean we know what a sicko Freddy is, it doesn't need to be repeatedly outright stated, allusion and ambiguous dialogue would have been enough. Keep the viewer unsure as to exactly how twisted he is and their mind fill in the blanks. Playing head games is his MO and should have been with details of his back story. But, that's just my opinion really. Yeah they should have tried to get Wes Craven in even as just a consultant on the film. Though I had a streak of dread run up my spine when I heard it was being worked on by Michael Bay's company (even when he's not directly involved, works seem to turn into crap).

Haha, yeah only thing worse than a poor done film is a unmemorable one. It had all the potential to be two great remakes of a classic series and it just sort of fell flat at the starting line.

I'd like to see a Friday the 13th movie done that nods to the originals but tries to do it's own thing and while keeping the tone and feel of the originals builds on that rather than tries to copy them.

this reply is a bit late but better late then never

at least there is nightmare 7 which makes up for 6's short comings

i think i could have taken mia and the loss of her hand better if she chainsawed it off it was with in reach and would have made more sense then her pulling her hand off

i dont know if its the books dark enjoyment or just its desire to fuel its master ( ? ) with souls
whatever malevolent force is behind it it seems to have a purpose
or is just pissed it got disturbed woken up and pulled to the mortal plane

or as you said demonic lodgers

i did like that we got to see more of freddy pre burninantion in the 2010 remake
but even though they tried to play him off as an innocent man we as the audiance knew it wouldnt fly
especially since we already know what kind of amonster freddy is and he has been killing people in the movie already
but i liked the back story and seeing freddy as a normal human anyway
the original series was a bit coy about showing freddy as a normal human and coughed up his back story piecemeal


dont get me started on bay will you ?
whatever he is involved in is crap but it does turn up stacks of money
i am a transformers fan and the first 3 movies are crap
the fourth is decent ish with out too many annoying human characters and thankfully no forced "humor"
but other 3 are crap
especially 2 thats the pits
its made even worse because to a lot of people these 4 movies are the only transformers they know
and the actual comics are so so SO much better

more then meets the eye is an amazingly well written and well crafted comic book and the idea that by brand name its associated with those movies ...urgh

then again if only a handfull of bayformer fans buy the comic then that will be a victory as well

speaking of halloween remake 2 here is a cinemassacre review of it
http://cinemassacre.com/2011/10/31/halloween-2007-halloween-ii-2009/
the scene i talked about pops up around the 4 minute 10 mark
now look at that and dont tell me thats not ludicrous

maybe it will happen for the 13th friday the 13th movie
but i doubt it
studios these days are remarkably tonedeaf

Agreed, I rather liked New Nightmare quite a bit, fantastic film and a credit to the series.

Understandable, also her chainsawing her hand would have been a nice nod to Evil Dead 2. I do admit the pulling it free was a little more like the manga Berserk (which is a brilliant work in it's own right) and less like Evil Dead.

I think I would have been happy at some ambiguous nod that doesn't really say too much what it means and lets the viewer decide if it's sadism of the book, hunger of the book, or just annoyance at human tampering. Though the whole demonic lodgers thing seems to be a likely possibility.

I think my problem with the Nu-Nightmare is that it felt so predictable. While I get Freddy is not a good person and was seriously fucked up, but it would have been fantastic if he actually WAS innocent. It would have been a nice twist rather than him being admittedly someone who hurts children, but instead took the blame for someone who was guilty of it. I do like they showed more of his back story but seeing him as someone caught up as a victim of circumstance and his vengeance had a legitimacy to it would have been fascinating.

Heh, yeah I don't blame you, Transformers and TMNT were two of my favourite series growing up and to see what he did to them just breaks my heart. I just wish it had of been closer to the original series OR the comic series'. It has so many different back stories to the Autobot/Decepticon conflict any number of them would have made for great cinema.

More Than Meets the Eye is amazing, though to be fair MOST of IDW's publications are friggin spectacular. I also recommend All Hail Megatron and Autocracy (which plays up Orion Pax as a cop rather than a factory worker on Cybertron). If you dig TMNT I recommend anything put out by IDW from that, The Thief of Always, Epilogue, Infestation, Mars Attacks (especially vs. Transformers), and X-Files Classics.

Ah yes, I've been watching James' reviews of the Friday the 13th series so I might give that a view too when I have a moment.

So true, they care more about making a buck than making something that will earn them credibility, and possible future revenue from happy customers/theater goers.

HOLY CRAP! what a long post 0_0

of the 9 nightmare movies
1 3 and 7 are the best
2 is not a classic but stands on its own because it is so different
6 is awfull
4 and 5 are well we discussed that
vs jason is wel it is what it is
and the remake is the remake

ive never read berserk to be honest played the dreamcast game but thats about it
i think there was a nod at evil dead 2 already
the electric bread knife scene
im not actually sure you can do that with an electrical bread knife though

considering that we are actually discussing about what the book wants other then giving birth to the abomination and who knows what he\she wants i dare say its ambiguous enough

well the remake is a remake and most remakes dont have the guts to do something different
if they do the majority of the fans will complain and complain and complain
and i think that the twist that freddy was actually innocent is too big of a twist because then his vengeance is justified
and freddy is supposed to be a monster in the remake they just made him more of a monster
but with the same familair beats it should have followed its own course and be its own entity with the only similarities being the basics ( ie freddy and his back story )

which comic series ? UK or US ?
the UK comic is better but thats G1
with G2 the us comic is superior and the uk one inferior

actually i loath all hail megatron
or all fail megatron as i call it not only is the storytelling uneven and the pacing inconsistent
it runs roughshod over furmans 2005-2008 run
demolishes storylines and offers nothing in their places other then a load of questions
such as why we suddenly have the cartoon ( urrrrgh ) cast from 84-85 ( oh god no ) and the movies cast while before the cast was varied
cybertron was uninhabitable it was a wasteland that activley killed whoever set foot on it
where the hell did the matrix came from ? the war was formerly a war of ideologies and attrition the matrix didnt factor in to it and now its the cause of the war ?
where are the facsimilies ?
what about the holo matters ?
what the hell is kup doing there ? his mind was destroyed !
jazz was never said to be in spec ops
where is jimmy ?
where is verity ? are they dead ?


the first 6 issues were a mess ignoring any and all of these question and were basically the decepticons going wild on earth and the autbots moping on cybertron
and then we got awnsers
so apparently all it took to bring down the autobots was sunstreaker handing over a few codes ( and sunstreaker was never shown to be that high up on the totem pole )
and prime being overzealous and walking in to a basic trap
sunstreaker committed apparent suicide
hunter died ( urrrgh )

but wait it gets much more better !
optimusu was all but dead in issue 1 in 10 ratchet comes out and say he cant save prime
and in the SAME damn issues
prime is repaired and pretty much shows up saying HAI GAIZ IM TEH FIXED NAO !!111
how in the name of ass did that get through ?!

but no we are not done yet
omeg asupreme becomes omega deus ex machina deal witht he swarm and gets the autobots to earth ready in time for a boring disjointed "climax" that ends with an explosion in mid air ( but no superion getting blown to bits this time )
and we get an explanation why kup is chomping on a cigar without any explanation at all

all hail megatron is just bad even if you ignore everything it ran roughshod over the story is just not good
idw even needed 7 extra issues ( spotlight metroplex jazz cliffjumper and 13-16 ) to straighten this mess out and explain arbitrary changes just for the sake of change
then we got an excruciatingly slow moving and boring ongoing that dwelled on earth and adressed plot points from ahm
ie explain what ahm never explained

the only thing ahm was good for is get new stories rolling and only that is because other writes have to straighten out this mess
jimmy is finally accounted for
verity survived last stand of the wreckers
and hunter is still very much dead
kups ridiculous cigar is explained and so on but none of that was ever ever adressed in ahm it self
it had 16 issues and the ending is still a rushed incoherent mess
and they never dressed prime's miraculous resurrection

i can go on and on but as far as i am concerned all hail megatron is on the same level of excruciatingly awful as bayformers 2
they are even from the same year

more then meets the eye is a great series but some times the tone is a bit too light
the characters dont take their predicament seriously so why should you the reader ?
but its still head and shoulders above dreck like all fail megatron or the 2009 ongoing
and i have a problem with the new current co captain of the lost light
im sure you know who i mean
i mentioned his name often enough
i just dont buy this sudden change of heart and im waiting for the other shoe to drop

i have a love hate relationship with the rid comic i like how it tackles the difficult questions
i hate how it takes ages to get somewhere
its been 3 years now
cybertron is still a mess for gods sake do SOMETHING start rebuilding anything !

i dont care for windfa...windblade but sadly i need her second series for the combiner wars

and mtme 9-11 did the orion pax supercop idea before autocracy
autocracy primacy and monstrosity just ran with it and showed us the early days of the brewing war
it also showed what kind of a psychopath megatron was ( points at a earlier comment )

anyway i think i bored you enough with transformers ;p

other then anything transformers the only other thing i read from idw is the maxx

that cinemassacre review shows the scene where i lost all interest in the halloween II remake
it stopped being scary and became bizarre comedy
begotten this is not

all studios care are their tentpole franchises and the bottom line and cranking out as much product as possible thats why the hobbit became a 9 hour 3 parter instead of a 4 hour 2 parter

have you seen the other pages ? ;p