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Posted December 16, 2020
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Oh wow. So they are not going to release it?

Did Winnie the Pooh fans threaten them? Why not just block it in China?
Post edited December 16, 2020 by Knightspace
Posted December 16, 2020
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Another vote here. I would have thought GOG had the sense to understand that China bots 'outraged' at something they had zero intention of buying anyway has zero bottom line impact on GOG vs actual GOG customers, but clearly not...
Posted December 16, 2020
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tfishell: And bring Hatred too.
Was just about to comment on that game, which isn't too far off from Postal.

CDPR/GOG are making a lot of bad moves lately; Too many companies seem to be 'bending the knee' to the twitter mob and other sources that don't even buy their games (or watch their shows/movies) or buy their toys.

Honestly? Bring hentai or other games here, people don't have to buy them and it's each person's choice, add a NSFW button that will keep it Nintendo/kid friendly marking games accordingly if they want.

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sanscript: Personally, caving into Epic/10c/CCPs tentacles from a totalitarian country is even worse than DRM.
Did you see what they were adding to games on steam in China? A LARGE CCP label telling the person to play responsibly and take breaks, as well as adding in mandatory breaks where you can't play say at midnight and can only play during 'proper' hours, and only so many of them.

This is as bad as DRM, a company deciding what content is acceptable for everyone. I say no.

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FallenHeroX1: including murder, organ harvesting and human rights violations
And if your social credit score is low, you can't get a job or use public transportation, among other things. Likely they don't have hardly any physical currency anymore so get your bank account frozen too.
Post edited December 16, 2020 by rtcvb32
Posted December 16, 2020
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This is absolutely stupid. There's no reason to refuse to sell Devotion on GOG. Politics is NOT what the company should be putting their heads in. Putting games and buyers of them to find and keep them updated to run over the years so they are never lost to time.. or in this case, censorship.

There's games I don't like or agree with but I have no intentions of crying about them existing. Why would this be any different? It's likely people could mod out the things in the game that would be an issue if someone were playing it in China and still have it safe and sound intact without worrying what they have to have over there.
Posted December 16, 2020
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I really hate how GOG gets thrown under the bus because of one decision. GOG has always been the one of the only companies fighting for the rights of gamers for well over a decade, so let's give them the respect they deserve.

I realize that there's a lot to hate about political decisions regarding Communist China, but GOG really isn't responsible for what goes on in China. This may be an unpopular opinion to some, but It's the responsibility of the people of China to stand up for their rights, not random businesses that are just trying to make a living for themselves. They could either sell that game and risk being banned in China completely, or deal with the backlash for not selling it. I think they made the right choice.

There have been countless countries throughout history that have had to fight tooth and nail for the freedoms they now enjoy, and if the people of China want those same rights, they need to fight for it. This is what many of our ancestors fought and died for. It may not be easy, but if you want something bad enough nothing is going to stop you, not even the corrupt government of China.
Posted December 16, 2020
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AFnord: Although, truth to be told, I'm also feeling a bit insulted by the fact that someone though the "gamers" tweet was a good idea. It's probably one of the most transparent "excuses" for this kind of things I've ever seen.
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SCPM: I can't get on there myself to see, but supposedly GOG's account at the Chinese social media platform Weibo was stormed with angry posts threatening to boycott Cyberpunk 2077 according to this article:
https://gnn.gamer.com.tw/detail.php?sn=208029
I can believe that there were a lot of angry people posting, you often get that when you've got a perceived attack on someone or something that has a lot of fervent followers, which would include political leaders. But I don't believe the excuse that this was the real reason why they removed the game from sale, but rather a fear that they could be getting into legal trouble in (and maybe even get excluded from) the Chinese market. There's already one company that's lost its rights to do business in China over this game.

I "get" why GOG is doing this, GOG is a company, they don't want to risk locking themselves out of a lucrative market. Basic capitalism right there. But at the same time it worries me when another country has such sway over what can get published. It's not something heinous either, like child pornography or anything of that nature in this game, but rather a bit of political commentary.
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: I really hate how GOG gets thrown under the bus because of one decision. GOG has always been the one of the only companies fighting for the rights of gamers for well over a decade, so let's give them the respect they deserve.
Trust is like a glass of water. Glass is fragile, often it shatters totally destroying it, and not just having some cracks that seem iffy that can be fixed later.

I'd think more there's a certain level of expectations: Uncensored games, no DRM, working compatibility with offline installers.

GoG has refused to bring games here before, and continue to do so for... whatever reason... If they don't bring the game here the DRM isn't something they have to honor.

But i think it's the rest of it. Going with CCP which makes them on par with Disney (Disney, won't do filming in Georgia over pro-life laws, but go to China and film a movie a few miles from a concentration camp and they harvest organs), and you see them slipping and everything gets thrown into question. There is no middle grey area. You fully support or fully oppose.

I suppose more... A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
Post edited December 16, 2020 by rtcvb32
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: I realize that there's a lot to hate about political decisions regarding Communist China, but GOG really isn't responsible for what goes on in China. This may be an unpopular opinion to some, but It's the responsibility of the people of China to stand up for their rights, not random businesses that are just trying to make a living for themselves. They could either sell that game and risk being banned in China completely, or deal with the backlash for not selling it. I think they made the right choice.
They(gog) could've blocked the game in china, and accomplished the same thing while allowing everyone else(and even chinese who "move to another country called VhePheEhn") to buy it.....but now they will certainly p*ss off a bunch of people in the rest of the world....people who buy games here.

Seems like they made a rather poor business decision.
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: I really hate how GOG gets thrown under the bus because of one decision. GOG has always been the one of the only companies fighting for the rights of gamers for well over a decade, so let's give them the respect they deserve.
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rtcvb32: Trust is like a glass of water. Glass is fragile, often it shatters totally destroying it, and not just having some cracks that seem iffy that can be fixed later.

I'd think more there's a certain level of expectations: Uncensored games, no DRM, working compatibility with offline installers.

GoG has refused to bring games here before, and continue to do so for... whatever reason... If they don't bring the game here the DRM isn't something they have to honor.

But i think it's the rest of it. Going with CCP which makes them on par with Disney (Disney, won't do filming in Georgia over pro-life laws, but go to China and film a movie a few miles from a concentration camp and they harvest organs), and you see them slipping and everything gets thrown into question. There is no middle grey area. You fully support or fully oppose.

I suppose more... A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
I totally get that there are sensitive subjects when it comes to political matters, but when it comes down to it these companies should only be making decisions that are in the best interest of a company. I do agree that there's a lot of hypocrisy with the decisions made by some of these companies (like Disney), but it really isn't the responsibility of a company to get involved in political matters in the first place. It's GOG's primary responsibility to provide a product or service to their customers, but they really shouldn't have a say when it comes to making political statements. If China is threatening to ban them from selling their products if they sell a certain item (which I assume they are doing), then it would be in their best interest to not sell that item. It's not their responsibility to make political statements, it's their responsibility to sell products. This is something that the people of China should be protesting, not GOG.
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: I really hate how GOG gets thrown under the bus because of one decision. GOG has always been the one of the only companies fighting for the rights of gamers for well over a decade, so let's give them the respect they deserve.

I realize that there's a lot to hate about political decisions regarding Communist China, but GOG really isn't responsible for what goes on in China. This may be an unpopular opinion to some, but It's the responsibility of the people of China to stand up for their rights, not random businesses that are just trying to make a living for themselves. They could either sell that game and risk being banned in China completely, or deal with the backlash for not selling it. I think they made the right choice.

There have been countless countries throughout history that have had to fight tooth and nail for the freedoms they now enjoy, and if the people of China want those same rights, they need to fight for it. This is what many of our ancestors fought and died for. It may not be easy, but if you want something bad enough nothing is going to stop you, not even the corrupt government of China.
You are aware of Tiananment Square right? Or Hong Kong 2019?
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: I realize that there's a lot to hate about political decisions regarding Communist China, but GOG really isn't responsible for what goes on in China. This may be an unpopular opinion to some, but It's the responsibility of the people of China to stand up for their rights, not random businesses that are just trying to make a living for themselves. They could either sell that game and risk being banned in China completely, or deal with the backlash for not selling it. I think they made the right choice.
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GamezRanker: They(gog) could've blocked the game in china, and accomplished the same thing while allowing everyone else(and even chinese who "move to another country called VhePheEhn") to buy it.....but now they will certainly p*ss off a bunch of people in the rest of the world....people who buy games here.

Seems like they made a rather poor business decision.
I agree that this could have been a good solution, but I doubt that China would agree to such an arrangement. They probably told GOG flat out that if they sold that product they would be banned in China, so GOG [likely] made the right choice.
Post edited December 16, 2020 by joelandsonja
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: I agree that this could have been a good solution, but I doubt that China would agree to such an arrangement. They probably told GOG flat out that if they sold that product they would be banned in China, so GOG [likely] made the right choice.
Since when does it matter if china agreed to it? Isn't gog a private polish company?

Also: removing the game for everyone and bowing to china is a good choice as long as they get more money?

(and it wouldn't matter if china blocked out GOG.....chinese could "move temporarily to the grand country of VeePheEhn" and still buy the game, meaning GOG would still have access to that market)
Post edited December 16, 2020 by GamezRanker
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: I realize that there's a lot to hate about political decisions regarding Communist China, but GOG really isn't responsible for what goes on in China. This may be an unpopular opinion to some, but It's the responsibility of the people of China to stand up for their rights, not random businesses that are just trying to make a living for themselves. They could either sell that game and risk being banned in China completely, or deal with the backlash for not selling it. I think they made the right choice.
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GamezRanker: They(gog) could've blocked the game in china, and accomplished the same thing while allowing everyone else(and even chinese who "move to another country called VhePheEhn") to buy it.....but now they will certainly p*ss off a bunch of people in the rest of the world....people who buy games here.

Seems like they made a rather poor business decision.
I don't like this different behavior in different countries
if their values change from country to country then they have no values at all
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: It's GOG's primary responsibility to provide a product or service to their customers
I agree, that's why they should sell the game and let consumers vote with their wallets. :P If devs removed reference to Xi Jinping as they promised, there is nothing politically controversial in regards to China left in the game.
Posted December 16, 2020
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joelandsonja: I really hate how GOG gets thrown under the bus because of one decision. GOG has always been the one of the only companies fighting for the rights of gamers for well over a decade, so let's give them the respect they deserve.

I realize that there's a lot to hate about political decisions regarding Communist China, but GOG really isn't responsible for what goes on in China. This may be an unpopular opinion to some, but It's the responsibility of the people of China to stand up for their rights, not random businesses that are just trying to make a living for themselves. They could either sell that game and risk being banned in China completely, or deal with the backlash for not selling it. I think they made the right choice.

There have been countless countries throughout history that have had to fight tooth and nail for the freedoms they now enjoy, and if the people of China want those same rights, they need to fight for it. This is what many of our ancestors fought and died for. It may not be easy, but if you want something bad enough nothing is going to stop you, not even the corrupt government of China.
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SLOFila: You are aware of Tiananment Square right? Or Hong Kong 2019?
The sad thing is that the majority of the people in China aren't willing to fight for their freedom, because most of the people from mainland China believe that their government is doing the right thing. Unfortunately the only people who see through the fascist dictatorship of China are the people of Hong Kong, but sadly they will never get the support of the people of mainland China, because the people of mainland China don't understand the importance of real freedom.
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