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AB2012: <snip>
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Braggadar: +1 for the effort. Refreshing to have someone willing to explain things in such detail.

In summary:
Steam library not backed up + Steam shut down = Boned.
GOG library not backed up + GOG shut down = Boned.

The main differences between Steam & GOG backups:
Steam backup without no authentication patch + Steam shut down = Boned.
Steam backup with no authentication patch + Steam shut down = Possibly functional games
GOG offline installer backup + GOG shut down = In most cases, functional games

Thus:
LEARN HOW TO BACK UP YOUR FILES OR RISK LOSING YOUR GAMES FOREVER.
It should also be noted that the origin's of Gabe's "promise" are so long in the past that he may have been only referring to Valve's own games, they might not even have started to sell games from other publishers back then.
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Kelefane: Maybe, maybe not. But at least Steam has commented on the subject in the past. Putting minds at ease, whether its blowing smoke or not, sometimes people just need to "hear" it.
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PaterAlf: From the user agreement:

"17.3 It seems very unlikely, but if we have to stop providing access to GOG services and GOG content permanently (not because of any breach by you), we will try to give you at least sixty (60) days advance notice by posting a note on www.gog.com and sending an email to every registered users – during that time you should be able to download any GOG content you purchased."
So they don't give a guarantee ... they will try ...
Like they "tried" to make a better website ...
It's funny that the OP trusts an ancient hypothetical frankly-bulls**t statement (that Valve will care spending money to remove DRM in case of trouble) more than an existing factual truth (that downloaded Gog single-player games work offline and don't need the store to fuction).
Post edited February 26, 2019 by phaolo
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PaterAlf: From the user agreement:

"17.3 It seems very unlikely, but if we have to stop providing access to GOG services and GOG content permanently (not because of any breach by you), we will try to give you at least sixty (60) days advance notice by posting a note on www.gog.com and sending an email to every registered users – during that time you should be able to download any GOG content you purchased."
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surfersurfer: So they don't give a guarantee ... they will try ...
Like they "tried" to make a better website ...
What sort of guarantee would you like them to give you, considering this is the end of the commercial life of Gog?

Life doesn't come with guarantees. The only "rights" you have are those you can defend. Rather than expecting others to vouchsafe your endeavours, it behoves you to take a self-reliant approach and ensure that you have your own expectations covered. As Bookwyrm627 just noted, if you use the offline installers, you already have a local copy of the self-extracting executables. Make additional copies at your leisure, to decrease risk to infinitesimal negligibility. Job done!
Unfortunately, since a few years, wie live in the age of "lost media". Every streaming media and media with complicated DRM or permanent online connection will eventually be lost forever and it won't be possible to make it available through "special websites" once the publishing platform has vanished.

I consider most games I buy today as only being rented.
Don’t think it shuts down and you can bring all your games to an external harddrive so you can play them forever.If steam would shut down it would be f*
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Kelefane: So screw the guy who isn't techy or has the wherewithal to back games up? Not everyone does you know. These types of folks only know how to press a play button. Talk about being blindsided if this happens. I can picture this recent layoff doom and gloom news only hitting GOG's bottomline even more as these types of customers go to a more financially stable platform like Steam. So lets hope that news isn't as bad as it seems.
Backing up the games isn't cost-intensive or rocket science. If you are unable to download an installer file and place it on a storage medium of your choice, you probably shouldn't be left unattended in front of a PC.
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Kelefane: Whether you believe him or not, Gabe Newell has stated in the past that, should Steam be taken permanently offline, a patch would be made available that would allow users to continue to play all their games without the service needing to be active. It would probably work as a perpetual Offline Mode. But you wouldn't need to back anything up. Your entire library would still be present and you can download and uninstall games at your own leisure.
It's not a matter of believing him. It's a matter of realising that Steam is designed from the ground up to prevent effective backups of games being made. You don't get installers - you download directly from the servers and Steam's own installation scripts handle dependencies directly. An offline "patch" is all well and good but it only helps currently installed games. You will not be able to install any new games, nor will you be able to recover those games if your hard disk dies. There are certain workarounds for some games (creating ZIP archives of games that happen to be able to run independently of Steam, something which is actually in violation of the SSA), but until Steam allows legitimate DRM-free downloads of entire games, the reigning consensus is that Gabe Newell is full of shit on this matter.
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Chrislemale: Don’t think it shuts down and you can bring all your games to an external harddrive so you can play them forever.
*forever being possibly less than 10 years due to OS/hardware compatibility issues. A lot of these games had to be heavily worked on by GOG to even work on modern systems. Already there are games that are only officially supported for discontinued OSs.
Post edited February 26, 2019 by TentacleMayor
Pretty sure the community would fix this so im not scared
The tautological redundancy here is staggering...

BTW/apropos redundancy; remember kids - never ever use RAID as backup :P
Post edited February 26, 2019 by sanscript
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Kelefane: I see a lot of folks state that you need to be backing your games up to spare hard drives and whatnot. Well, a lot of folks aren't going to have the wherewithal to do that because its not something that certain people do. Especially the non-pc techy folks who just know how to hit a button and play. So if every game we didn't already have downloaded on GOG just vanished into the ether forever would be a shame. I don't see why a company with good morals would do that. So such a shutdown would blindside these folks and their games would be lost forever.
Sorry, but your computers and your data are fully your responsibility. If you don't keep backups (like you should if you value your data), then any consequences which arise from your negligence are solely your fault.

It doesn't take a "techy" to know that they need to make regular backups of their data any more than it takes a mechanic to know that they need to get regular oil changes in their car. That is a flimsy and disingenuous excuse.
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DadJoke007: Fear Factory said it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl0biWbuzxc

"You know you got to back the fuck up!"
Onyx said the same!
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Kelefane: Whether you believe him or not, Gabe Newell has stated in the past that, should Steam be taken permanently offline, a patch would be made available that would allow users to continue to play all their games without the service needing to be active. It would probably work as a perpetual Offline Mode. But you wouldn't need to back anything up. Your entire library would still be present and you can download and uninstall games at your own leisure.
Hahahano.

Even if they patched out CEG on the games you already had installed, how would you download the rest of your Steam games if the service had shut down? Would they be running it on those magical self-powering maintenance free servers?
Even if you believe Lord Gaben, I would only take it to refer to games you had installed or backed up. It's a massive stretch (ridiculous and unbelievable even) to assume that he was saying they'd keep the servers running.
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Kelefane: Well, a lot of folks aren't going to have the wherewithal to do that because its not something that certain people do. Especially the non-pc techy folks who just know how to hit a button and play.
GOG has given those people the option to download and back up their games, if those certain people chose not to take that opportunity then it isn't GOG's fault or problem.
You learn skills relevant to your interests, if they couldn't be bothered to learn how to back up their games then it is because it wasn't important to them.
Post edited February 26, 2019 by SirPrimalform
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jepf999: Unfortunately, since a few years, wie live in the age of "lost media". Every streaming media and media with complicated DRM or permanent online connection will eventually be lost forever and it won't be possible to make it available through "special websites" once the publishing platform has vanished.

I consider most games I buy today as only being rented.
I’ve heard of the term “digital dementia” (digitale Demenz in German) to describe this phenomenon. The problem isn’t only that DRM and proprietary platforms exist but also the fact that digital storage solutions have a very low life expectancy, compared to certain analog storage media. And there’s a second problem: The technology/hardware interfaces become obsolete at a rapidly accelerating rate.
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tinyE: I'm too lazy and jaded to back up 1000 games.

If they go, they go.

So be it.
Talk about someone who values the money he spends...

I don't understand how GOG can be in the red, or even close to, when people like him exist.
Post edited February 26, 2019 by BleepBl00p