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in this post.
What was Lift vs Agent, sorry?
It is a now half-forgotten pair of bandwagons from D1, as you know, but it is worth looking back at them with what we know by now.
On D1, remember how Lift was on Agent because of the joke? Defending a strick lunch-all-liars policy? To some of us, it seemed like Agent
was being punished for a joke, which seemed unfair, and it was even clearer when someone commented that it was a play on something that happened in another game.
For a while the mutual bandwagons were stalled
in 3 for Agent and 2 for Lift. Then, on #320
people jumped in. It was deemed to become a magnet for opportunistic scum, if both or one of them were Town: agent
5 - RWarehall, Lift, Micro, Joe, SirPrimalform Lift
3 - Pooka, agent, ConsulCaesar
(note that Micro
had started the bandwagon and later retreated, then came back)
See how SPF
jumped on Agent and ConsulCaesar
jumped on Lift. Of course you (Joe) jumped on agent as well, but it does not count now.
The most dangerous was Agent's. Maybe it was too much to jump two of them scum on Agent? Yogs
avoids intervening. So it is either Lift, Pooka or ConsulCaesar.
Or, for completion, joppo, who stayed out of trouble and posting sparingly on D1.
On #457 it was like this agent
5 - RWarehall, Lift, SirPrimalform, Joe, Micro
Microfish 4 - trent, Pooka, yogsloth, Carradice Lift
3 - agent, ConsulCaesar, FlockeShnee
(see how Micro went and came; BTW notice the Micro bandwagon in his "fisherman" era, before re-reading and abandoning that line of thougth, when it was clear that voting for Caesar would not be the best of form on D1)
On the other hand, clinging to the analysis of Flocke's & Micro's bandwagons, since it was expected to see at least 2 scum in the tiny list of 5 (with GR really cleared by then, but of course could not be said, so it was 4, really) and it turned off exactly like that. So, mostly it is about: was Scum3 brazen enough to attack both Flocke and Micro or not? If he was NOT, it might be
If they WERE, it might be
Or, for complation, joppo, who was also in set 0 (see #1047
So, trying to reflect and put the two lines of thinking together, F/Micro and Agent/Lift, including people absent in the two cases.
If trent was scum, it would be a case of masterfully using AtE, because some of us actually do NOT want him to be scum!! :-)
Also, Lift had been tunnelling horribly on D1, yet we are reading him mostly as Town.
So, mostly on the same page with Joe
right now, and not liking it.
@joppo: Yogs started Flocke's bandwagon on #595, while keeping the pressure on Flocke, then eventually left once it was moving forward. It was told at the beginning of D3, on A Sandwich Made of Scum
The statement on #918
- Detached stance, little presence, inane posts, low profile on Day 1.
- Changing his register completely (maybe JoeCarr noticed this, as this is part of his method?) for charging against Micro/Flocke (if the memory does not fail) on Day 2
. Plus, he was making no sense and Flocke was clearly Town, for the reasons enumerated above.
Re-reading, the harshness was directed at Micro
. For Flocke he adopted the "avoiding the no-lynch" stance with yogs (who had started the WHOLE THING against Flocke, being followed soon by joppo
). So, only to Micro (remember that it was written with slash and the qualifier "if memory does not fail") and yes, it was definitive and a complete change of stance from D1. All his behaviour, put together, was alarming enough to repeatedly mention the oddness of he flying under the radar and rapidly writing on N2 to Agent on post #6 that the priority suspects were SPF on pair or a bit before yogsloth. Then prepared the first draft of what eventually became post [url=url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/harry_potter_and_gog_mafia_64/post918 ]#918 [/url](On Autopsies...). Meaning, bringing all the artillery to stop SPF, yogs.
So, whoever is interested in a scum!Carradice, should ponder if bussing TWO Slytherin as early as N2 would make sense.
BTW, yogs left Flocke's bandwagon and left joppo, Lift there... Why voting for Flocke?
(Big noninformative aside:
this was a tad horrifing: how on D2 people would be voting for both Micro and Flocke, one with some scummy-lite behaviour, and the other had done nothing... and sure yogs had started the thing with Flocke, but why townies did follow that?)
BTW, re-reading that day, it becomes apparent how SPF supported the idea of scum "never" bussing, or very rarely (#621). Or how it was SCUM (yogs, SPF) (Pooka as well, maybe others too?) who put the most pressure on lynching people without a good case... or how SPF pressed to know who the neighbours were... Both pressed hard against a good claim... (Micro's)All anti-town behaviour that was duly noted.
Trent, for all his collaboration with yogs, was carefully pro-town most of the time. Insisting on avoiding any talk about roles, PMs, etc.
Caesar had been repeatedly digging on the issue.
Also, note the hilarious set of posts from #747 to #749. Is that scum parading or is that poor townie Lift being sandwiched by scum?
Probably the situation is mature enough for starting a new D4 spreadsheet
, just in case there is need for negotiation for reaching a lunch.