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Fairfox: Isn't this every day? I mean... srsly?

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Happy men day, I guess.
Depends where you live in the world. But, if you live in the US or Europe, most days are women's days. It's kind of mind-blowing to me that people still buy into that women are being trapped by the patriarchy when by virtually every measure women are ahead and getting further and further ahead.
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Fairfox: Isn't this every day? I mean... srsly?
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drmike: No, it's not. A friendly reminder that I'm a male victim of domestic violence, spend 6 weeks in the hospital because of her and couldn't even get the police to take a report about it.

And a bunch of more things but im going to be busy for th enext 20 mintes.
That's unfortunately all too common. There's this well established view that society doesn't care about men and things like this are how we know that the US has a far left stance on most women's issues.

I've seen girls beat on boys in public and even seeing it isn't enough to get something done about it.

Part of female privilege is that society let's women do things like that while most people look the other way as if it's somehow OK as long as a woman doesn't get hurt.

And don't get me started about the high fives that male students that get raped by their teachers get.
Post edited November 20, 2017 by hedwards
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BlueMooner: I've never understood this ridiculously moronic thinking.
I've never understood moronic white knights.

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BlueMooner: A group of people specifically suffering from an issue in society are selfish bastards for trying to fix it
No, they're whiny little bitches for making things up like the gender pay gap that doesn't exist.

And playing the victim and being militant and divisive.

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BlueMooner: what a glib way to insult and dismiss people while continuing to hate on them.
That's exactly the tactics feminazis use, hate men and call people names and dismiss them when they are challenged with facts.
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Kleetus: If it were really about equality they would also promote men's issues, but I've yet to hear a feminist do so.
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BlueMooner: I've never understood this ridiculously moronic thinking. A group of people specifically suffering from an issue in society are selfish bastards for trying to fix it, UNLESS they also try to fix the problem for everybody else, including the very people inflicting the problem on them. Women have to fix men's problems, blacks have to fix whites' problems, gays have to fix straights' problems... what a glib way to insult and dismiss people while continuing to hate on them. : /
You're begging the question. Women aren't disadvantaged in the vast majority of situations that they're likely to find themselves in. They have few responsibilities and many rights.

People take issue with the lack of support for men's rights because feminists aren't playing fair. They outright make up statistics whenever they get caught lying. Women make as much and more than men do and have for decades, but you keep hearing about the alleged pay gap, even though there hasn't been any evidence found for that. Some feminist "theorists" take all the money that men and women make, then divide by the number of hours that each works respectively and conclude sexism.

Similarly, for domestic violence, women are at least as likely to abuse their partners as men are, but that gets rounded down to zero and up to most women being abused.

They aren't trying to fix the problem, they're using rhetorical devices like the poison mushroom that they got from the Nazis in order to make men out to be monsters. Fucking, Nazi scum should not be the source of rhetoric that's being used if you're just looking for equality. That's where you go if you're looking for an excuse for genocide.
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BlueMooner: I've never understood this ridiculously moronic thinking. A group of people specifically suffering from an issue in society are selfish bastards for trying to fix it, UNLESS they also try to fix the problem for everybody else, including the very people inflicting the problem on them. Women have to fix men's problems, blacks have to fix whites' problems, gays have to fix straights' problems... what a glib way to insult and dismiss people while continuing to hate on them. : /
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hedwards:
I didn't know you were an Evil Genius fan. I just finished it.
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hedwards: That's unfortunately all too common. There's this well established view that society doesn't care about men and things like this are how we know that the US has a far left stance on most women's issues.

I've seen girls beat on boys in public and even seeing it isn't enough to get something done about it.

Part of female privilege is that society let's women do things like that while most people look the other way as if it's somehow OK as long as a woman doesn't get hurt.

And don't get me started about the high fives that male students that get raped by their teachers get.
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drmike: No, it's not. A friendly reminder that I'm a male victim of domestic violence, spend 6 weeks in the hospital because of her and couldn't even get the police to take a report about it.
I never understood this bit actually, although it is definitely a recurring theme. Maybe you could explain, having experienced it first hand.

So I personally believe that hitting people is wrong. Not just women, or children, or the elderly. Hitting all people is wrong. Hitting a man is every bit as much immoral and criminal as hitting a tiniest little girl or an old lady. On the same token, when someone is attacking you, it makes no difference who they are. If they are able to cause you harm, then their age and sex doesn't really matter. Having less muscle mass than me is not a license to harm me. If a woman or a child or a cripple or an old man attacks me with an intent to cause damage and I see that they are capable of actually doing that damage, I will defend myself exactly the same as I would against an able-bodied man. I'll try to run away, but if not possible I will block their blows and inflict my own until they are no longer willing or capable of harming me.

All that said, how is it that healthy men get harmed by women so often? I mean sure, there are incredibly strong women out there who are capable combatants, but not on this scale. An average man is still physically more formidable than the average women. Are these men ambushed and blindsided? Are they physically not capable of self-defense? Are they unwilling to defend themselves because of social stereotypes such as "never hit a woman?" What is going on?
Post edited November 20, 2017 by Alaric.us
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hedwards: That's unfortunately all too common. There's this well established view that society doesn't care about men and things like this are how we know that the US has a far left stance on most women's issues.

I've seen girls beat on boys in public and even seeing it isn't enough to get something done about it.

Part of female privilege is that society let's women do things like that while most people look the other way as if it's somehow OK as long as a woman doesn't get hurt.

And don't get me started about the high fives that male students that get raped by their teachers get.
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Alaric.us:
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drmike: No, it's not. A friendly reminder that I'm a male victim of domestic violence, spend 6 weeks in the hospital because of her and couldn't even get the police to take a report about it.

And a bunch of more things but im going to be busy for th enext 20 mintes.
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Alaric.us: I never understood this bit actually, although it is definitely a recurring theme. Maybe you could explain, having experienced it first hand.

So I personally believe that hitting people is wrong. Not just women, or children, or the elderly. Hitting all people is wrong. Hitting an able-bodied man is every bit as much immoral and criminal as hitting a tiniest little girl or an old lady. On the same token, when someone is attacking you, it makes no difference who they are. If they are able to cause you harm, then their age and sex doesn't really matter. Having less muscle mass than me is not a license to harm me. If a woman or a child or a cripple or an old man attacks me with an intent to cause damage and I see that they are capable of actually doing that damage, I will defend myself exactly the same as I would against an able-bodied man. I'll try to run away, but if not possible I will block their blows and inflict my own until they are no longer willing or capable of harming me.

All that said, how is it that able-bodied men get harmed by women so often? I mean sure, there are incredibly strong women who are capable combatants, but not on this scale. An average man is still physically more formidable than the average women. Are these men ambushed and blindsided? Are they physically not capable of self-defense? Are they unwilling to defend themselves because of social stereotypes such as "never hit a woman?" What is going on?
The issue tends to be that some people think that it's only wrong when it's a girl which puts boys in danger as we can't defend ourselves. I took a beating when I was younger before I said fuck it, and started hitting back.

I don't recommend it as the male is automatically at fault for many people.

The truth of the matter is that nobody should be throwing the first punch. Violence is only a reasonable response if you don't have any other viable options.
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hedwards: The issue tends to be that some people think that it's only wrong when it's a girl which puts boys in danger as we can't defend ourselves. I took a beating when I was younger before I said fuck it, and started hitting back.

I don't recommend it as the male is automatically at fault for many people.

The truth of the matter is that nobody should be throwing the first punch. Violence is only a reasonable response if you don't have any other viable options.
I don't know, I still don't fully comprehend this. Even knowing that I would get the blame in the case of a woman attacking me, it just seems to be an overall better idea to spend 6 weeks in jail rather than a hospital. If my life is getting ruined either way at least I would still keep my health.
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hedwards: The issue tends to be that some people think that it's only wrong when it's a girl which puts boys in danger as we can't defend ourselves. I took a beating when I was younger before I said fuck it, and started hitting back.

I don't recommend it as the male is automatically at fault for many people.

The truth of the matter is that nobody should be throwing the first punch. Violence is only a reasonable response if you don't have any other viable options.
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Alaric.us: I don't know, I still don't fully comprehend this. Even knowing that I would get the blame in the case of a woman attacking me, it just seems to be an overall better idea to spend 6 weeks in jail rather than a hospital. If my life is getting ruined either way at least I would still keep my health.
Getting arrested can mean months in jail before trial and at trial it's highly likely that the jury will vote to convict because women allegedly don't beat on men.

It's a really big risk if you don't have strong witnesses there to testify that it was self-defense.

To make matters worse, it's not necessarily prison that you have to worry about. Bystanders can come along and intervene on her behalf potentially behaving in an even more dangerous fashion.

The only sensible reaction at this point in time in the US, is to cross your arms across your chest and run as fast as you can away from the crazy bitch. Anything else comes with huge risks that aren't worth it.
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Alaric.us: I don't know, I still don't fully comprehend this. Even knowing that I would get the blame in the case of a woman attacking me, it just seems to be an overall better idea to spend 6 weeks in jail rather than a hospital. If my life is getting ruined either way at least I would still keep my health.
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hedwards: Getting arrested can mean months in jail before trial and at trial it's highly likely that the jury will vote to convict because women allegedly don't beat on men.

It's a really big risk if you don't have strong witnesses there to testify that it was self-defense.

To make matters worse, it's not necessarily prison that you have to worry about. Bystanders can come along and intervene on her behalf potentially behaving in an even more dangerous fashion.

The only sensible reaction at this point in time in the US, is to cross your arms across your chest and run as fast as you can away from the crazy bitch. Anything else comes with huge risks that aren't worth it.
Hmm. I guess I don't know enough to be able to judge whether this is good advice or bad. Then again, I am incredibly particular about the company I keep, so I was never exposed to situations like these. Hopefully I never will be. Despite any of this, however, I still believe that hitting ALL people is wrong, and that defending oneself is the right thing to do when attacked regardless of what the attacker's sex organs look like.
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hedwards: But, if you live in the US or Europe, most days are women's days.
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Fairfox: What?! How do you even square this? Are you talkin' from experience? Forget it; don't want to kno your logic.

Feminism isn't some sort o' tribal beatin' stick. Feminism 'n' general empowerment can have a strong impact on men too. Who wouldn't be in favour of taht?!

Even in teh article drmike linked it talked of men ('n' boys) feelin' too embarrassed to talk to family or seek outside help abooout stress, mental health issues 'n' suicidal thoughts, I guess becaaause of teh perceived 'masculine' role they've been conditioned taht they're meant to play in society? Blurrin' teh lines of traditionality (is taht even a word? lolz-no) can help everyone to be moar equal, 'n' can have a knock-on effect in those areas of mental health, depression, 'n' also! other roles liek house-husbands 'n'/or stay-at-home parents; for many it's still a source of shame 'n' embarrassment.

Anyhoohar feminazi lolz raaah totes mcghosttoast out
You're begging the question here.

Men come in for help with mental health problems less frequently than women for two reasons. One is that we're just not as likely to suffer from mental health problems to begin with. The second one is that if we do go, we're treated like broken women.

Feminism isn't about equality and hasn't been about equality in years. It's shameless and transparent. It's gotten to the point where most of the anti-feminists are women. That should tell you something.

Most of the things that you cite there are evidence of female privilege and feminists only address it when it's convenient to them.
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hedwards: Getting arrested can mean months in jail before trial and at trial it's highly likely that the jury will vote to convict because women allegedly don't beat on men.

It's a really big risk if you don't have strong witnesses there to testify that it was self-defense.

To make matters worse, it's not necessarily prison that you have to worry about. Bystanders can come along and intervene on her behalf potentially behaving in an even more dangerous fashion.

The only sensible reaction at this point in time in the US, is to cross your arms across your chest and run as fast as you can away from the crazy bitch. Anything else comes with huge risks that aren't worth it.
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Alaric.us: Hmm. I guess I don't know enough to be able to judge whether this is good advice or bad. Then again, I am incredibly particular about the company I keep, so I was never exposed to situations like these. Hopefully I never will be. Despite any of this, however, I still believe that hitting ALL people is wrong, and that defending oneself is the right thing to do when attacked regardless of what the attacker's sex organs look like.
I recommend looking into these sorts of things for yourself and forming your own opinion. But, hitting women tends to end badly for men. Hell, being hit by women is often times seen as evidence of male wrong-doing.

The only way to win is to run off as fast as you can.

There are literal videos on youtube of actors demonstrating this in public places where the bystanders aren't privy to the fact that it's a set up.
Post edited November 20, 2017 by hedwards
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hedwards: But, if you live in the US or Europe, most days are women's days.
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Fairfox: What?! How do you even square this? Are you talkin' from experience? Forget it; don't want to kno your logic.

Feminism isn't some sort o' tribal beatin' stick. Feminism 'n' general empowerment can have a strong impact on men too. Who wouldn't be in favour of taht?!

Even in teh article drmike linked it talked of men ('n' boys) feelin' too embarrassed to talk to family or seek outside help abooout stress, mental health issues 'n' suicidal thoughts, I guess becaaause of teh perceived 'masculine' role they've been conditioned taht they're meant to play in society? Blurrin' teh lines of traditionality (is taht even a word? lolz-no) can help everyone to be moar equal, 'n' can have a knock-on effect in those areas of mental health, depression, 'n' also! other roles liek house-husbands 'n'/or stay-at-home parents; for many it's still a source of shame 'n' embarrassment.

Anyhoohar feminazi lolz raaah totes mcghosttoast out
An underage male child is rape by an adult woman. The woman get pregnant, and after the male victim come of age he is force to pay $16500 in child support.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/arizona-man-forced-to-pay-child-support-to-woman-who-raped-him-at-14
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Gnostic: An underage male child is rape by an adult woman. The woman get pregnant, and after the male victim come of age he is force to pay $16500 in child support.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/arizona-man-forced-to-pay-child-support-to-woman-who-raped-him-at-14
I saw an article where a sperm donor's identity was illegally revealed and he was forced to pay child support.

It seems the problem is with the way the law is worded. When they wrote it they never considered cases like these.
I remember being all about feminism, anti-racism and things like that when I was a teen in the 90's. Now I feel like I blinked and it's almost 20 years later and now all of that stuff has become some weird new kind of Marxism.

I don't get when or how that happened and I find it super disorienting because I care about injustice but someone hijacked all of this and now it's insane. So just for example, we now have a lot of the 'anti-fascists' in the States pushing for speech codes/criminalizing speech and also advocating for street violence and yet those are 2 of the reasons we have so often repudiated fascism.
Post edited November 20, 2017 by stoicsentry
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stoicsentry: I remember being all about feminism, anti-racism and things like that when I was a teen in the 90's. Now I feel like I blinked and it's almost 20 years later and now all of that stuff has become some weird new kind of Marxism.

I don't get when or how that happened and I find it super disorienting because I care about injustice but someone hijacked all of this and now it's insane. So just for example, we now have a lot of the 'anti-fascists' in the States pushing for speech codes/criminalizing speech and also advocating for street violence and yet those are 2 of the reasons we have so often repudiated fascism.
Yea, this is how I feel as well.