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laser_eyes: Ok, Mr Purity, turn your computer off now and never turn it on again. Of course that means that you can never play a PC game again, but that's your standard. Microsoft does a lot of business in China and llike every company that does business here they obey the orders of the government. So follow your standard. Turn off your computer and never turn it on again. You want to boycott companies that do business in China. Then you can't use Windows. No more PC games for you.
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PixelBoy: Maybe he's using Linux?
You can play games without Microsoft's involvement.
actually he is using galaxy as you can see from his profile...........
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TencentInvestor: I understand your position. A lot of progress was achieved under the CCP's leadership. This is true.
And no insult will change the facts. Why can't you forgive RedCandleGames after their apology?
What would you need to move on and forgive them? When everyone gets along, mainland and Taiwan, there will be one China.
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949801422: most Chinese want to unite with Taiwanese, but the governments on both sides are attacking each other. Unfortunately, this is not a problem with video games, and an ordinary person cannot change it.
Taiwan is an independent sovereign nation. Only China refuses to recognize this fact.
Taiwanese enjoy and prosper with democracy and have no interest in living under communism.
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949801422: most Chinese want to unite with Taiwanese, but the governments on both sides are attacking each other. Unfortunately, this is not a problem with video games, and an ordinary person cannot change it.
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Jorev: Taiwan is an independent sovereign nation. Only China refuses to recognize this fact.
Taiwanese enjoy and prosper with democracy and have no interest in living under communism.
Post edited January 01, 2021 by 76561198099998408
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Jorev: Taiwan is an independent sovereign nation. Only China refuses to recognize this fact.
Taiwanese enjoy and prosper with democracy and have no interest in living under communism.
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949801422: You are an American and have different views on communism. I respect you. But the fact is that China is not communism now. On the economy, Taiwan does not have the prosperity of Chinese cities
Chinese cities are a humongous joke. It's poverty everywhere and the hard thing is you - the Chinese people - have no idea because most of you have never been abroad. It is alright if you're an invited foreigner, consultant, etc, but I would hate living in a Chinese city.
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laser_eyes: Ok, Mr Purity, turn your computer off now and never turn it on again. Of course that means that you can never play a PC game again, but that's your standard. Microsoft does a lot of business in China and llike every company that does business here they obey the orders of the government. So follow your standard. Turn off your computer and never turn it on again. You want to boycott companies that do business in China. Then you can't use Windows. No more PC games for you.
He he. I actually use Linux exclusively, 100%. I don't use Windows, for the exact reason that I dislike their controlling surveillance bloatware and anti-consumer BS. I can play the vast majority of PC games on Linux just fine. The minority that I can't, I don't play (and am not interested in) :-)

Whenever I buy a product, I always check where it is made and avoid Chinese if at all possible. Of course, it's not always possible, as Chinese goods are so ubiquitous. But it's not my fault if I am not being given a meaningful alternative as a consumer. The West's level of dependence on China is extremely dangerous, imo. In fact, I'd say that dangerous level of dependence alone is reason enough to boycott.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by Time4Tea
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949801422: So, I am a Chinese player, and I can understand your anger, but in fact, foreigners cannot understand. This is a serious problem in China, which cannot be offended and is a political correctness. Just like racism and homosexuality in the United States. If the dedication is listed on GOG, then Chinese users cannot access GOG (just possible) just like steam.
GOG has many users in China, but they don't like communication. Here, CDPR has a large number of advertisements in China, and even middle school students have purchased Cyberpunk 2077.
I just used GOG,
I buy games on GOG almost every day. I don’t want GOG to be shut down. Because of steam and GOG, piracy is decreasing significantly. Among the players I know, more and more people have PS4, SWITCH, XBOX
and...If you want to play dedication, you can go to the PlayStation store
Hey, if you and other Chinese people want to censor something you don't like, that offends your leader, fair enough. But, please keep that shit within your borders! I live in a country where we value free speech and free expression. Why should I have to tolerate your country trying to impose your values on me and telling me what games I can and cannot buy, just because your leader is thin-skinned and has no sense of humor?
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949801422: You are an American and have different views on communism. I respect you. But the fact is that China is not communism now. On the economy, Taiwan does not have the prosperity of Chinese cities
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RafaelRamus: Chinese cities are a humongous joke. It's poverty everywhere and the hard thing is you - the Chinese people - have no idea because most of you have never been abroad. It is alright if you're an invited foreigner, consultant, etc, but I would hate living in a Chinese city.
haha like usa cities arent filled with poverty.
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949801422: So, I am a Chinese player, and I can understand your anger, but in fact, foreigners cannot understand. This is a serious problem in China, which cannot be offended and is a political correctness. Just like racism and homosexuality in the United States. If the dedication is listed on GOG, then Chinese users cannot access GOG (just possible) just like steam.
GOG has many users in China, but they don't like communication. Here, CDPR has a large number of advertisements in China, and even middle school students have purchased Cyberpunk 2077.
I just used GOG,
I buy games on GOG almost every day. I don’t want GOG to be shut down. Because of steam and GOG, piracy is decreasing significantly. Among the players I know, more and more people have PS4, SWITCH, XBOX
and...If you want to play dedication, you can go to the PlayStation store
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Time4Tea: Hey, if you and other Chinese people want to censor something you don't like, that offends your leader, fair enough. But, please keep that shit within your borders! I live in a country where we value free speech and free expression. Why should I have to tolerate your country trying to impose your values on me and telling me what games I can and cannot buy, just because your leader is thin-skinned and has no sense of humor?
haha what you meant to say was you live in a contry that has free speach as long as you dont offend the leaders. If you start talking shit in public about muslims in uk ur going to jail, so there is no differnce. There is no place where you can speak freely but your own home, Go into a town board meeting and start calling the head of the town a down syndrome whinny the pooh, see what happens haha. I guarentee they wont go we reapect your speech, they will kick you out. If you resist they will put ypu in jail, if you hurt the police while resisting chances are they will kick the living shit out of you.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by Makasouls
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RafaelRamus: You being offended by an Earlier version of the game because it made fun of your leader is already weird for Western standards (making fun of politicians is a healthy thing in true democracies, you know, places where there isn't a dictator for life that can't be mocked), but ok, we could understand a ban of the game in your country (it would still be weird, I mean, if you don't like a game just vote with your wallet, leave your 1 star rating and comment and let others decide for themselves what to do).

Now, the moment Chinese inner politics starts affecting everyone else rights to purchase a product we have a problem and you no longer have my sympathies regardless of me trying to understand your cultural background. In other words, this actually hurts the Chinese image outside. You're not even a US-like superpower with troops in every continent and you're already dictating what I can and can't buy - this is not good and we will resist it.
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949801422: China is not North Korea. On China’s Internet, there are criticisms of the government’s policies, which the government does not control. Under the Chinese culture, politicians are different from the United States. Even without any language control, the people still have a good impression of the government, especially after COVID-19. Maybe you will talk about some of the problems in the 1980s, but the government at that time was different from now.
Moreover, mocking politicians does not provide any constructive help. It has nothing to do with democracy.
The United States has troops all over the world. Do you think this is a good thing?
Something something social credit score something something Li Wenliang something something QQ something something no anonymity something something... Eh, who am i kidding? I talked to other people in mainland china through means illegal for them and they don't seem to share your sentiment. Frankly, i knew them much better than i know you, so i'm skeptical that you're even chinese.
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Makasouls: haha what you meant to say was you live in a contry that has free speach as long as you dont offend the leaders. If you start talking shit in public about muslims in uk ur going to jail, so there is no differnce. There is no place where you can speak freely but your own home, Go into a town board meeting and start calling the head of the town a down syndrome whinny the pooh, see what happens haha. I guarentee they wont go we reapect your speech, they will kick you out. If you resist they will put ypu in jail, if you hurt the police while resisting chances are they will kick the living shit out of you.
Free speech in Western countries is what allows things like this to happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZOF9q5fzfs

In the UK, they have law against inciting hatred. So, yes, it is true there are some limitations on free speech there. But it is still very much legal to mock and ridicule political leaders. Free speech is nowhere near as restricted there as it is in China.

Resisting arrest has nothing to do with free speech. Law enforcement has a legal right to arrest you, if you are suspected of a crime. That is necessary to protect law and order. If you feel you are being wrongfully arrested, then you should take that up through legal channels, not react violently.
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949801422: This is a unilateral action taken by Steam and GOG in order to ensure their interests.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: First of all, Steam never removed the game.

Second of all, that quoted statement strongly contradicts itself and is therefore nonsense.

Within that statement, you are trying two deliver two different, completely antithetical messages:

1. You are asserting that the Chinese government is not at fault and is benevolent and blameless and pure and innocent, because they didn't directly ask GOG to ban the game.

2. You are also asserting that GOG had to ban the game to "ensure their interests"...which is a euphemism that means "GOG felt they needed to ban the game, because they fear that if they did not, then they would make the Chinese government angry with them."

So...my point is, your second premise completely disproves your first one.
No, you see, China has a hive mind. Everyone in china agrees with the same thing, because of their amazing ability to make the best decisions unanimously at all times without any dissonance.
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949801422: If [Devotion] is listed on GOG, then Chinese users cannot access GOG [...] I don’t want GOG to be shut down.
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Turbo-Beaver: Thank you for all your comments in this thread, they explain quite a lot.

The obvious solution is just to have different storefronts for some countries. GOG already has the technology to do that. Games were censored in Australia or Germany before, and they could handle it. They have regional pricing too.
No, that option isn't possible with the CCP. That is precisely why this is concerning. If GOG actually cared about the chinese sensibilities, i could just chalk this up to SJW-nonsense and virtue signalling. However, even the SJWs are siding with the non-SJW crowd on this one, because we all know this isn't about hurting feelings, it's about cucking to a regime that focuses first on information control (anti-free speech policies). While the SJWs, in particular, or not necessarily pro-free-speech, they like to think that they are, and they also know that their usual statements would never fly if China took over social media. For most countries, it is enough that something is unavailable in their own country. However, China and a certain few other countries don't adopt the same mentality. China, however, is the only one of enough importance to have any power to enforce this.
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Makasouls: haha what you meant to say was you live in a contry that has free speach as long as you dont offend the leaders. If you start talking shit in public about muslims in uk ur going to jail, so there is no differnce. There is no place where you can speak freely but your own home, Go into a town board meeting and start calling the head of the town a down syndrome whinny the pooh, see what happens haha. I guarentee they wont go we reapect your speech, they will kick you out. If you resist they will put ypu in jail, if you hurt the police while resisting chances are they will kick the living shit out of you.
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Time4Tea: Free speech in Western countries is what allows things like this to happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZOF9q5fzfs
I must have missed all the mainstream "comedy" shows making Obama a monkey.

In the UK, they have law against inciting hatred.
That's another name for regime censorship and worse. So censorship and repression is bad in china but great in the UK.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by §pectre
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949801422: Before deleting it, everyone agreed with their decision.
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Turbo-Beaver: Thanks for responding. Can you explain what you mean by "everyone agreed?" Everyone agreed the game should not be released and told them so? Or do you mean something else?

Appreciate it.
I'm glad you caught that, too. The mask is slipping.

In the UK, they have law against inciting hatred.
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§pectre: That's another name for censorship. So censorship and repression is bad in china but great in the UK.
I wouldn't agree, but we know where it's coming from. I've heard talk of "bringing social credit score to the west," as well. It seems we're on that track.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by kohlrak
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s60416: Nobody is forcing you to buy or play the game
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Turbo-Beaver: He's concerned the whole website could be blacklisted. I think that's plausible.

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Time4Tea: But, please keep that shit within your borders!
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Turbo-Beaver: In fact he believes it's unlikely the government would directly try to have it banned abroad. I also find that plausible.
I've isolated those two quotes from the same post for a reason: you are seeing the mechanism in the first part why the second part is inevitably wrong. No one thinks GOG will be banned from, say, USA, because China gets offended. No, instead, the concern is that gog on the whole gets blacklisted in china because people can buy the game from GOG, even if they're not from China. This is not an official worldwide ban on the game from China, but it effectively is.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Within that statement, you are trying two deliver two different, completely antithetical messages:

1. You are asserting that the Chinese government is not at fault and is benevolent and blameless and pure and innocent, because they didn't directly ask GOG to ban the game.

2. You are also asserting that GOG had to ban the game to "ensure their interests"...which is a euphemism that means "GOG felt they needed to ban the game, because they fear that if they did not, then they would make the Chinese government angry with them."

So...my point is, your second premise completely disproves your first one.
I don't see any contradiction here. The government is of course not benevolent, they just don't deal with small fish. And nobody in China would have even known about the game being released had it not been for the fact that GOG decided to tell everyone themselves. There's an earlier post by Mori_Yuki that has a quote from GOG's announcement preserved:

That aside the real story can be found on Weibo ... Chinese gamers threatened to boycott CP2077 if Devotion was not removed before it was even added. They also threatened CP2077 because they found signs of promoting Taiwanese independence consciousness ... This is where things stand and this is what GoG had to say about hurting Chinese gamer's feelings when releasing Devotion on their official Weibo page: 「GOG.COM 保證不會做出傷害大家感情的事情,請大家放心」。Which roughly translates to GOG.COM promises not do anything that will hurt everyone's feelings. Please rest assured.
What likely happened after the announcement is that GOG faced a predictable backlash on social media as people were trying to one-up one another calling for boycott to demonstrate their patriotic virtues, or something to that effect. Of course the social media are tightly controlled so it'd be possible for censors to stop such messages from spreading but why would they, since (1) people need something to complain about, (2) they were not complaining about the government, (3) it might even be useful (one way to make sure the Party stays in power forever is to convince the people that everyone abroad is out there to get them). But it's not that the government started all this, they just didn't stop it. Maybe the censors helped a bit here and there by deleting a few dissenting voices to make sure everyone really was either on the same page or out of the picture but that's the likely extent of their involvement.

Then, CD Projekt/GOG just panicked and overreacted, taking the decision to delist the game worldwide. If you think about everything they have done so far to maximize Cyberpunk 2077 earnings, it's not really that surprising. They set an impossible deadline, released an incomplete game, told everyone it worked great on consoles, did not provide the console version for reviews, prohibited PC reviewers from showing their own footage, bribed influencers with cameos, etc. I don't want to trash Cyberpunk 2077 because it seems the game isn't really as bad as some portray it to be, and I'm sure it will get better. However, considering the amount of shenanigans surrounding its release, throwing GOG's reputation down the toilet to prevent any possible (however unlikely) boycott of the game in China would be par for the course and is just small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.

Of course the above is just speculation on my part but a scenario like this would explain how GOG could have banned the game to "ensure their interests," while the Chinese government would have been "innocent" with regard to this. And I think it's the most likely scenario. Everyone looking for excuses to put the blame elsewhere (there is even a post where someone blames Visa and MasterCard) is just making things easier for the most obvious culprit.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by Turbo-Beaver