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I have fairly decided to buy the game Streets of Rogue. It's got good review. Even more, it has split screen as well as online and cross platform (and I believe online and split screen can be mixed up too) I think Stardew Valley (which I own, was given to me, TY!) also has those things (except for cross platform?) But am not very happy about it's quality of life aspects, (QoL=game mechanics that make the game easier to play) And it's not really a game that great for multiplaying, sure you could always get help doing the chores but that's the whole game, you still are sort of playing by yourself. But I digress

But why pay full price, SoR is rather pricy at full anyway. So I have been waiting for it to go on sale, and it's on sale now in GoG. Big problem though, It seems I can't play online multiplayer if I buy it from GoG. I'll give GoG credit for warning customers anyway, "Multiplayer notice: Streets of Rogue features crossplay public matches that you can play with your friends no matter where the game was purchased (PC only). Online multiplayer requires Galaxy, currently not available on Linux."

I imagine I could finesse it to work through Wine, but that seems like entirely too much hassle, and if I can't get it to work, well tough shit for me, I'm sure will be the message between the lines of GoG support.
So gotta wait for it to go on sale with Steam. Though if someone knows of a trustworthy Steam key reseller that has it on sale, please tell me.

This lack of Linux support truly is annoying. I don't get why it's so hard to make a GoG launcher for Linux anyway, it's just a bloody launcher. Strip out cards or whatever features I don't care about, but surely just something that launches and updates programs should be simple enough.

But it goes beyond the GoG launcher. I bought Civ4 some time back and when I had difficulty installing, GoG point bank responded "NO SUPPORT FOR LINUX" and refused to help at all. Yes, I was able to find some help on the forum, but GoG is a business, support your customers!

I've also heard that Linux installs don't always get updates through GoG in a timely fashion unlike their Windows versions. One game that had a Linux version, that version's not available on GoG, only Steam has the LInux version available. I guess they had some technical difficulties uploading the file or some such thing that makes no sense to me. I made a thread here about that issue before, I can't remember the title off hand though.

Now for the Streets of Rogue questions. Does the game autosave when you quit, even if you quit early on? A greview made me wonder about it's save system. Is there many mods for SoR? Is there a mod that allows you to save when you want? Is there a dev forum Specific for SoR?
Post edited March 10, 2021 by myconv
Now nothing is going to fix GOG's obstinate refusal to implement a multiplayer system or server, but at least you can get games organized and updated and there's plenty of choices.
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wonder when linux kids will realize nobody cares about their 2%
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Orkhepaj: good
wonder when linux kids will realize nobody cares about their 2%
considering GoG was build on a niche thing, I find your statement rather ironic
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Orkhepaj: good
wonder when linux kids will realize nobody cares about their 2%
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Cernodan: considering GoG was build on a niche thing, I find your statement rather ironic
why? niche of a niche makes it even smaller customer base
just calc it out, 20% players prefer drm-free , 2% player prefer linux
0.5% prefer drm-free linux games , see how low it gets?
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Cernodan: considering GoG was build on a niche thing, I find your statement rather ironic
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Orkhepaj: why? niche of a niche makes it even smaller customer base
just calc it out, 20% players prefer drm-free , 2% player prefer linux
0.5% prefer drm-free linux games , see how low it gets?
I never disputed the math, nor do I care to.
I just find your statement and view of the topic, exactly that, ironic.
A pity that the only store that sells a DRM-free version of Streets of Rogue has such a bad support for DRM-free OS...
But maybe the game runs in wine (I haven't tried it, but other users might help with the subject...)
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myconv: Now for the Streets of Rogue questions. Does the game autosave when you quit, even if you quit early on? A greview made me wonder about it's save system. Is there many mods for SoR? Is there a mod that allows you to save when you want? Is there a dev forum Specific for SoR?
The game autosaves at the start of every floor. As long as you don't die, if you quit the game you'll be able to restart that floor. Not sure about mods, I rarely use mods in any game...

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Post edited March 09, 2021 by Lone_Scout
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The ironic thing is that, if the MP is dependent on Galaxy, then it is DRMed anyway, so you might as well buy it on Steam.

I will suggest it be added to the list.
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ah the tolerant linux fandom ... got angry because i tell the truth
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Time4Tea: The ironic thing is that, if the MP is dependent on Galaxy, then it is DRMed anyway, so you might as well buy it on Steam.

I will suggest it be added to the list.
Technically, to be sure if it is DRM you should try to add the game without own it to GOG Galaxy and launch it, many games user launcher solutions for their multiplayer, is the modern solution, implement a multiplayer without launcher takes a tremendus amount of work and they won't do it for the sake of release it on a DRM Free store that actually has a launcher, try to do that, risk your account, get the game install it and manually add it to GOG Galaxy, if it launch without own it, then is full DRM Free.
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KetobaK:
I refer to you to my answer in the other thread.
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Time4Tea: I refer to you to my answer in the other thread.
Yep, just answer you :P
2% might be accurate for percentage of desktop/laptops that use Linux overall compared to Mac or Windows. Seems low but Ok maybe. But Linux has been steadily growing in popularity.

But I am sure the percentage of gamers who download games through Steam or GoG, especially DRM free games, those would certainly be a higher percentage than some made up sounding 2%. If it were 2%, it would be incredibly unlikely for there to be more than one person replying in a thread with less than 10 people like this one. Thus you wouldn't have to deal with "Linux fans" if it were some mere 2%.

DRM-free concerns and using Linux are very similar in the type of person it concerns.

It's kind of like how while the total percentage of the population that is vegetarian or vegan might be a low percentage, the percentage of people who buy health food category stuff a much larger percentage of such people are vegetarian or vegan. Which is why it is much easier to find vegan specific meal items among the health food classified items. A health food store or food manufacturer that decided that people who are interested in health food is already a niche enough market so screw vegans by not offering them anything, those would be fools overlooking business.

Besides, there is a certain amount of good business that involves good will. If you offend some customers by not catering to them, you risk offending their friends and family too, or even strangers who take note of this disrespectful business practice.

So to say "percentage of people who use Linux and insist on DRM free" is faulty reasoning, the real business question is, how many GoG customers use LInux and how much would it cost to cater to them as well verses additional income from sales. I say having a Linux launcher is a pretty low bar. I say providing the linux files the devs already made is a pretty low bar. I say having one part time person on staff who understands Linux and provides basic support for install and trouble shooting of customers having bought GOG product, is a pretty low bar.

It;s funny how even low end indie developers can manage to produce content for Linux, but GoG can't bother to code a Linux launcher to play the game.

BTW, if you include Android etc. as "Linux" (and androids operating system is much closer to Linux than Windows, when you want things to just run, you use Linux or something like it) Then Linux has by far a larger market than Windows could ever dream of since mobile phones are much more common than desktops/laptops.

So what, that's a different platofrm, you might say. But it become pertinent to games like this since the android OS is so much closer to Linux, if you want to port to or from mobile phones, you will find it much easier if the product is already compatible with Linux.
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So no one knows what the mod situation is with SoR? Or if they have their own forum (not talking about the GoG one, I mean a forum from the devs) For posting questions, suggestions etc.
Post edited March 10, 2021 by myconv
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myconv: 2% might be accurate for percentage of desktop/laptops that use Linux overall compared to Mac or Windows. Seems low but Ok maybe. But Linux has been steadily growing in popularity.

But I am sure the percentage of gamers who download games through Steam or GoG, especially DRM free games, those would certainly be a higher percentage than some made up sounding 2%. If it were 2%, it would be incredibly unlikely for there to be more than one person replying in a thread with less than 10 people like this one. Thus you wouldn't have to deal with "Linux fans" if it were some mere 2%.

DRM-free concerns and using Linux are very similar in the type of person it concerns.

It's kind of like how while the total percentage of the population that is vegetarian or vegan might be a low percentage, the percentage of people who buy health food category stuff a much larger percentage of such people are vegetarian or vegan. Which is why it is much easier to find vegan specific meal items among the health food classified items. A health food store or food manufacturer that decided that people who are interested in health food is already a niche enough market so screw vegans by not offering them anything, those would be fools overlooking business.

Besides, there is a certain amount of good business that involves good will. If you offend some customers by not catering to them, you risk offending their friends and family too, or even strangers who take note of this disrespectful business practice.
Agreed, I was thinking the same thing.


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myconv: It;s funny how even low end indie developers can manage to produce content for Linux, but GoG can't bother to code a Linux launcher to play the game.
To be fair, techies often think differently from business heads in corporations. If its up to them, many will support Linux out of general principle.

Heck, if I was very wealthy, I'd probably try to buy some of the cheaper game IPs that don't support Linux and hire people to port them in Linux.