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Spectre: Hatred doesn't look like a bad game either if you ignore the ridiculous angsty emo approach.
Hatred doesn't look like there's any game left if you ignore the ridiculous angsty emo approach :D
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Ophelium:
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Spectre: Hatred doesn't look like a bad game either if you ignore the ridiculous angsty emo approach.
I own it, and it's not that it's bad, it's that five minutes in you have literally seen THE ENTIRE GAME! :P

I mean, at least Wolfenstein 3D had the courtesy to change the color of the walls every now and then; not this game.
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Yigdboz: Well, so much for gog's newly claimed "focus only on games" and leaving politics out of it.

If the bits and pieces of correspondence between Cleve and gog are to be believed it's hopefully not too long until curation is re-staffed again with people that properly and objectively judge game submissions instead of letting petty outside things like the dev calling people names on the internet be the scale-tipping factor.
I shouldn't have but I really expected better.
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paladin181: You think that's the only reason this turd sandwich of a game was rejected? It's like a love letter to old school RPGs if that love letter was started by a third-grader and only finished about the time he hit 30. But not generally improved for accessibility along the way.
Is the game really that bad?
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dtgreene: ...and I do not want to support bigotry.
I am sorry, but I have to ask - how do you support yourself then?
Post edited February 10, 2019 by Mafwek
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misteryo: Over time, though, I grew to recognize that the forums at rpg codex are toxic. And that's not incidental to game criticism. There is so much hate, disdain, and mockery there that they infected their own ability to simply see the real world. It is just fine to have your favorite games. It is not fine to mock and deride those who disagree with you. It is not good criticism to hold all games to a rigid pre-rendered set of standards.
When somebody suggested those forums to me, I took a look at it, saw that they had "brofist" baked into the forum software (it's their version of upvotes, I believe, except that there's a message attached to the post saying how many times it has been (or something like that)), and immediately left. It's one thing for the community to be sexist; it's a whole nother thing for the software itself to be sexist.

My decision to stay away, I could say, was vindicated when a forum thread where the topic involved a certain transgender game developer was filled with vile transphobia. From seeing that, I can tell that the forum is *not* a welcoming place for anyone who isn't a cishet man.

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misteryo:
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morolf: Sure, it's certainly kinda toxic, I wouldn't post there...but most of it probably isn't meant totally seriously. Just edgy shitposting. And the critiques of rpgs one can find there are often quite interesting (even if a bit too hardcore for myself).
Even if it's not meant seriously, it can still make people uncomfortable, and will make people (like me) steer far away from their forum. There's a reason any forum that's not toxic has rules against such behavior.

(Another problem with the forum is that all discussion about a game or series is placed in the same thread. This makes it hard to find the specific topic that one is interested in; having separate forums per game, or at least per series, makes things more manageable. This is especially important if one is only looking for topics about a specific aspect of the game, or for spoiler-sensitive people wanting to discuss the game without being spoiled while other people want to have a deep discussion of the game's plot (assuming the forum has sensible rules about spoilers).)

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Spectre: You might prefer the other rpg forums which are the opposite.
https://forum. rpg.net/index.php/threads/gamergate-gamergate-thread-ii-circling-the-drain-merged.741583/
These forums are about a different topic. RPGCodex is about CRPGs (and I get the impression that they tend to discuss specifically WRPGs, not JRPGs (which are also CRPGs, but are different stylistically)), while rpg.net is about TRPGs (like Dungeons & Dragons, but that is, of course, not the only game of its type; these are RPGs that you play with a group of people IRL rather than on a computer).
Post edited February 10, 2019 by dtgreene
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Spectre: Hatred doesn't look like a bad game either if you ignore the ridiculous angsty emo approach.
It doesn't look anything particularly special either. I probably would have gotten into it if the devs didn't try to ride the controversy toward a gold mine.
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LootHunter: You completely forgot Jagged Alliance: Rage! - a game that, while having it's good moments, is bugged, looks cheap mobile product and totally hated by the Jagged Alliance fanbase (which is supposed to be its main audience). It definitely doesn't belong to top 20% games on Steam, and yet it's here, even with GOG version being worse than Steam one (co-op was cut out).
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amok: I like this argument, which when you boil it down is: "gOG have made mistakes before, and should therefor make more mistakes"
So JA: Rage! release was a mistake? Like, oopsy we agreed to publish it without looking at game reviews or discussions on the net?
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amok: I like this argument, which when you boil it down is: "gOG have made mistakes before, and should therefor make more mistakes"
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LootHunter: So JA: Rage! release was a mistake? Like, oopsy we agreed to publish it without looking at game reviews or discussions on the net?
No. It was a key element of the conspiracy.
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Ophelium: If someone goes "Kill all the SJW's and Heil Trump!" then says "Y U no release X game?", they probably ignore such requests.
I don't quite get it. You despise such people, but essentially saying that they are right about GOG decisions being politically based?
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amok: I like this argument, which when you boil it down is: "gOG have made mistakes before, and should therefor make more mistakes"
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LootHunter: So JA: Rage! release was a mistake? Like, oopsy we agreed to publish it without looking at game reviews or discussions on the net?
your words, not mine
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LootHunter: So JA: Rage! release was a mistake? Like, oopsy we agreed to publish it without looking at game reviews or discussions on the net?
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amok: your words, not mine
Well? So why the guy wasn't fired for that mistake? The last time someone on GOG published something without looking at it's context,... you know.
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LootHunter: I don't quite get it. You despise such people, but essentially saying that they are right about GOG decisions being politically based?
Nope, that wasn't my point. I was thinking of the most banal thing that constantly pops up on these forums. I guess I should have gone with "Anime is child porn and people who like VNs serve Satan".

The point was, if one is being an obnoxious twit, their words probably carry less weight when trying to convince GOG to carry a game.
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dtgreene: ...and I do not want to support bigotry.
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Mafwek: I am sorry, but I have to ask - how do you support yourself then?
^This. I mean folks at RPGcodex apparently don't hesitate to degrade anyone who doesn't support their views, but dtgreene, amok or telika are no different.
Post edited February 10, 2019 by LootHunter
JA: Rage! is a different story. There is some value to having titles like Might and Magic 9, Crusaders of Might and Magic, Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods, Ultima 9 and the like to be completionist. I'm sure it was added because of that and because of that it might actually sell a bit.

That was part of the problem with Opus Magnum. They had all the other similar games and this game was of similar quality. It belonged here even if GoG judged it slightly inferior (rightly or wrongly).

But that doesn't mean every classic knock-off belongs here the same way. They have to be truly on a par, like Torchlight was to Diablo 2 or Legend of Grimrock was to Eye of the Beholder. I'm not sure most of the games people keep mentioning are on the same level.
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Mafwek: I am sorry, but I have to ask - how do you support yourself then?
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LootHunter: ^This. I mean folks at RPGcodex apparently don't hesitate to degrade anyone who doesn't support their views, but dtgreene, amok or telika are no different.
dtgreene is polite at all times, does not insult, hound, mock, harrass or make fun of people. All of which is what happens over at rpg codex.
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LootHunter: ^This. I mean folks at RPGcodex apparently don't hesitate to degrade anyone who doesn't support their views, but dtgreene, amok or telika are no different.
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misteryo: dtgreene is polite at all times, does not insult
Only if you don't consider being called transphobe, homophobe, sexist or nazi to be insults. And politeness doesn't make you less of a bigot, if your stance on political issues is bigotry.