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Posted December 21, 2020
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RafaelRamus: I would tell the truth:

"It has come to our attention that there is some ongoing controversy regarding the game Devotion and the Chinese market. We are analyzing the situation and we have decided to not release the game right now because of this and we have no new release date in sight."
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Zrevnur: Far as I know this is not the (full?) truth though. I have seen evicence on GOG reddit (and I think in forum here too) that GOG made a placating Weibo post promising to "not hurt feelings" or sth like that. Unfortunately I dont have a link. It was also claimed that soon after Chinese made the whole thing vanish from Weibo or sth like that. It can probably be still found somewhere on https://old.reddit.com/r/gog/
It would at least be better than what we got though.

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: [...]
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amok: no, my point is only bout "gamers", as you all assume that there are no "gamers", while there may be some as well

If I tried to put myself in their shoes, I would have gently put my arm aorund gOg's shoulder and said: "listen, mate, I know this is not the right thing to do, but if you go through with this, there is a chance that Winnie may find out and he may block you here. If they do, then I lose access to my collection, I can not buy any gamers from you anymore, and I can no longer get updates, and I just bought CP2077, for Frigg's sake, it would take at least two years before it is patched up to a playable state. Can't you, you know, not do this? Please?"

so yes, there may have been some response from people who actually play games in China as well, who would not like to see this happening. Things are most likely mot as black and white as you want them to be, but there are many shades of grey as well...
Then

tell

us

so!

What good is for them to gain some mainland Chinese and lose at least the same amount outside there?

Also, better pay attention to what Xi Jing Poh has been talking regarding closing the Chinese economy again...
Post edited December 21, 2020 by RafaelRamus
Posted December 21, 2020
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RafaelRamus: [...]
They said it was because of "gamers". Well, we are gamers, I am a gamer. Why would they give preference to the sayings of people that do not intend to buy the game in detriment to people that do intend to buy the game?
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amok: how do you know they are not buying games? who are these "people" anyway?
I did not say "games". I said "the game", as in "the Devotion game".

If GOG wants to protect their Chinese gamers, then say so. You or me explaining in their name is worth nothing. They did it, they have to communicate better why.

Telling us it is pulling the game from the platform because "gamers" asked them to without further explaining and without even mentioning China is absurd and pretty cowardly of them.
Posted December 21, 2020
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amok: how do you know they are not buying games? who are these "people" anyway?
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RafaelRamus: I did not say "games". I said "the game", as in "the Devotion game".

If GOG wants to protect their Chinese gamers, then say so. You or me explaining in their name is worth nothing. They did it, they have to communicate better why.

Telling us it is pulling the game from the platform because "gamers" asked them to without further explaining and without even mentioning China is absurd and pretty cowardly of them.
so you would have been happy if they said "chinese gamers" instead of "gamers"
Posted December 21, 2020
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RafaelRamus: I did not say "games". I said "the game", as in "the Devotion game".

If GOG wants to protect their Chinese gamers, then say so. You or me explaining in their name is worth nothing. They did it, they have to communicate better why.

Telling us it is pulling the game from the platform because "gamers" asked them to without further explaining and without even mentioning China is absurd and pretty cowardly of them.
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amok: so you would have been happy if they said "chinese gamers" instead of "gamers"
It would be something already.

I told you exactly what I think it would be the least they should have said. The LEAST. The folks at GOG PR should be fired, honestly (I mean, everything is third party nowadays so they should really consider changing partners if that's the case).

The following would be a start:

"It has come to our attention that there is some ongoing controversy regarding the game Devotion and the Chinese market. We are analyzing the situation and we have decided to not release the game right now because of this and we have no new release date in sight."

I bet you we wouldn't be having this conversation had they released the above instead of that cowardly post they made.
Posted December 21, 2020
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amok: no, my point is only bout "gamers", as you all assume that there are no "gamers", while there may be some as well

If I tried to put myself in their shoes, I would have gently put my arm aorund gOg's shoulder and said: "listen, mate, I know this is not the right thing to do, but if you go through with this, there is a chance that Winnie may find out and he may block you here. If they do, then I lose access to my collection, I can not buy any gamers from you anymore, and I can no longer get updates, and I just bought CP2077, for Frigg's sake, it would take at least two years before it is patched up to a playable state. Can't you, you know, not do this? Please?"

so yes, there may have been some response from people who actually play games in China as well, who would not like to see this happening. Things are most likely mot as black and white as you want them to be, but there are many shades of grey as well...
The premise you are presenting there is not the connotation that is implicit within GOG's "many gamers" tweet of lies.

Rather, the connotation they are purporting is that the fictional "many gamers" were greatly offended by the existence of the game, and therefore wanted it not to be published anywhere solely because they hate that it exists and loathe the idea that anyone should be able to play it.

As for your statement that they would "lose their GOG collection" were GOG to be banned in China: that's not correct; no they wouldn't. So long as GOG doesn't ban their account (which isn't something that is on the table in this scenario we are discussing), then their collection would still exist and is still be available to them.

Should GOG be 'banned 'in China, then they would nevetheless easily be able to access all the games on their GOG account, simply by using a VPN, which they already should be using anyway for many other reasons too, regardless of if they are GOG customers or not.

In other words, it's not really possible for China literally to 'ban' people there from accessing GOG, as there are easy workarounds for any supposed 'ban' that might take place.
Posted December 21, 2020
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amok: no, my point is only bout "gamers", as you all assume that there are no "gamers", while there may be some as well

If I tried to put myself in their shoes, I would have gently put my arm aorund gOg's shoulder and said: "listen, mate, I know this is not the right thing to do, but if you go through with this, there is a chance that Winnie may find out and he may block you here. If they do, then I lose access to my collection, I can not buy any gamers from you anymore, and I can no longer get updates, and I just bought CP2077, for Frigg's sake, it would take at least two years before it is patched up to a playable state. Can't you, you know, not do this? Please?"

so yes, there may have been some response from people who actually play games in China as well, who would not like to see this happening. Things are most likely mot as black and white as you want them to be, but there are many shades of grey as well...
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: The premise you are presenting there is not the connotation that is implicit within GOG's "many gamers" tweet of lies.

Rather, the connotation they are purporting is that the fictional "many gamers" were greatly offended by the existence of the game, and therefore wanted it not to be published anywhere solely because they hate that it exists and loathe the idea that anyone should be able to play it.

As for your statement that they would "lose their GOG collection" were GOG to be banned in China: that's not correct; no they wouldn't. So long as GOG doesn't ban their account (which isn't something that is on the table in this scenario we are discussing), then their collection would still exist and is still be available to them.

Should GOG be 'banned 'in China, then they would nevetheless easily be able to access all the games on their GOG account, simply by using a VPN, which they already should be using anyway for many other reasons too, regardless of if they are GOG customers or not.

In other words, it's not really possible for China literally to 'ban' people there from accessing GOG, as there are easy workarounds for any supposed 'ban' that might take place.
umm..... being blocked by the great firewall of china is not the same as being banned....

edit- anyway, this is why Valve is working on a speareate Chinese client which is divorced from the Steam client
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