Exactly. That's why interactions and wagons are important. Still, I think that by doing that analysis we can be better than the statistics based on pure random chance. But that's a moot point. The number of scum players was discussed in the signup thread. So we more or less know that there are two scum. Unless Catte is messing with us, which I don't believe.

I feel at this point everyone should have formed some sort of opinion. Considering we're likely at the verge of getting diminished activity by some of the player base very soon (if not already) I'd urge people who haven't done so yet to start placing votes sooner rather than later so we at least get an idea on what options we have. Or ZFR might actually get his theory tested after all.

Sure, as per my earlier posts, trent comes across as the most likely suspect.

Vote trent

Let the wagon analysis commence!

I wasn't talking about mathematical formulas, I'm talking about real Vanilla games played on mafiascum.net. And over there Town does worse than the numbers given in the list.

Did you play Vanilla Mafia? If yes, what is your experience in this?

Regardless, no matter what the balance is, there is no point in discussing this game's balance. It already started and nothing will change.

The fact that trent seems really annoyed about it only reinforces my feeling that he's caught as scum and feels he's at a disadvantage.
I'm also getting tired of his constant false insinuations that I'm playing some "numbers game".

What would the harm be in me putting too much weight on it if you are town?

Technically nothing, but if you are Town you don't really have a way of knowing that I am Town so you'd be giving someone who you don't know Town credit where it isn't due and that's a poor Town play. On the other hand, if you do know I'm Town (which would inherently mean you're scum) you might be trying to get on my good side by giving me that Town credit so I can feel better about you. Which is not happening (I still love you, though XOXO).

Either way I'd prefer you wouldn't put much or even any weight on that particular bit.

When I flip Town lynch ZFR please. I will probably not be back on today as it’s Thanksgiving and I have family at the house.

@ZFR, you were the one who starred the game off by discussing numbers and when to lynch or not. So there’s no false insinuations but actual facts that you were making this game all about the numbers, I’m just the one who called you on it. If somehow you’re actually town and pushing all the numbers at the start like that then that’s poor play on your part giving scum a smokescreen to hide behind.

Discussing numbers is not same as making this game all about numbers.

Some people posted jokes. Does it mean they want to make the game all about jokes?

Votecount the Fifth - "Everybody was Kung Fu Voting"

No Lunch 2 - korotan (#37), bucktoothgamer (#196)
ZFR 1 - trentonlf (#48)
Joe 1 - Lifthrasil (#116)
Pookina 1 - Microfish (#199)
Trent 3 - ZFR (#200), dedoporno (#209), Nmillar (#228)
Micro 1 - joppo (#208)
Nmillar 1 - JaiSpohpere (#211)

Not voting 2 - GymHenson, pookina

With 12 players 7 votes are required for lunch.

Trent is closest at L-4.

This was a complex one and I'm a bit ill, let me know if I've made any mistakes.

Deadline: 19:00 UTC 28/11/2020

OK. Trent is in the lead. And he might be scum who is mad about being in such a small team. Or that theory was a skillfull shading by ZFR. ... Hmm. But I don't think that trent and ZFR are scum together. There would be no point to start bussing so early in the game with only two scum. So if trent is scum, ZFR is quite certainly town. The opposite is not true. If trent is town, that doesn't make ZFR automatically scum, but his drive against trent bears looking into. However, for now I have ZFR as leaning town and I think that he actually believes trent to be the most likely scum candidate for the reasons he gave.

Other than that, I'm still happy with where my vote is. Joe doesn't look any townier. Actually, my read hasn't changed since I last discussed him. (Post 146) He referred to himself as Goon, which might be a joke or might be a slip. Same for Pooka. He still looks off and I don't buy the 'three bragging list entries' derp clear. But it is interesting that both he and ZFR town-read each other on weak reasons.

Other than trent, Joe and Pooka, who would be good lynch targets as far as I am concerned, I would also be willing to lynch Micro (for lurking) or bucktooth (who dropped in my read due to his strange no-lynch vote). Bucktooth still didn't respond to the questions about this strange vote either.

Joppo, I wouldn't want to vote now. He was quite invisible in the beginning and since he participates more, he is very difficult to read. However, his reasons to suspect Micro and bucktooth are valid. So he does appear to be scumhunting.

Thanks for your input.....I will add it to the pile as I contemplate how to move forward.

I slightly disagree.....it helps people like me decide how to move forward "today"(D1).....it would be near pointless to ask for such to determine how to move forward on D1 on D2 or onwards, is what I mean.

To be fair, it hasn't been shot down by all...I have it in my pile of possible options for "today"(D1), among other options(voting for someone, etc).

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(Bump needed...might need a few as I go, as there are a ton of posts)

Thanks

Oftopic post to Micro, reply to ZFR:
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Can we make it pretzels and choco bars? I do love me some choco bars. :)

Not a problem...also have a happy turkey day today. :)

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Plus it's not like we had NO interactions so far(I mean if we actually chose to do a D1 NL).

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(Bump needed again, please...if anyone wants to help a poor fellow player out)

(Thanks again OP. Btw I now single post to each player so as to give everyone a ping. I sometimes read ahead to compile posts by players, but there are a few too many pages this time to keep all my thoughts in order....might do so next time, though)
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Many of us have interacted so far, or interacted by proxy(interacted with players who've interacted with others).....so my gut feeling is that we'll still have something to go on.

If not, i'm sure my gut and other players will be able to (hopefully) ferret out some way to find scum anyways. :)

Eh, at this point i'll take any way I can maybe clear players (as town) that I can get.

(Of course, I still suspect all non-fully cleared players nonetheless)

GH starts to sing: "Tale as old as time, song as old as rhyme....GH is GH."