pls don't hammer until i can catch up, am reading post 920, am replying in MS Word as I read

i see. thank you.
If Carradice flips town, do you agree that you make an excellent suspect?

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[ you have asked multiple times for "something other than myself to talk about" [paraphrased]. Some of us brought up Yogsloth (notably Joe). This gave you a Golden Opportunity to talk about and analyze anything other than yourself. Have you done so?

OMGUS refers to (as I see it) retaliatory-voting, or a "you-voted-me-so-I'll-vote-you" way of voting (or at least thinking).
May I ask why you did not grill them?
TBH, I don't overly care for the whole feeling I get from this post of you trying to not-so-subtly point a FOS at me. Yes, I have been absent this weekend, but IRL was there, and yesterday I was tired and generally "blugh", so I avoided everything. I do apologize.
I do read what you post. however, I
a) sometimes forget what was already said and am too lazy to look it up or wonder if things had changed,
b) repeat a question hoping for extra wording to analyze sometimes (not just at you but at everyone) thus hoping for
c) finding something in the repetition that does not stack up.

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1. MYLO< I saw it referred to, but didn't realize that it might be toMorrow.
2. Okay, and I appreciate your answer, especially as it gives a solid if/then statement to analyze later. My exact question had been "if Yogs is scum, what is Joe?"

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if we had a tracker who tracked him to the NK or to someone else, this would change things.
What almost MYLO changes is I have to be really concerned about everybody, and not let my assumptions rest on ignorance, but double-check them.

I already have some questions for Flocke. I need to remember to ask them.

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thank you for this insight into your mind....
please explain to whom it would look like distancing?

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what changed from you being willing to vote Carradice/Lift/Dedo to now?
Yes, I could, but if no-one else supports me in said switch, it is pointless.

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Does it bother anyone else that after a year-pause, none of us know how to read Vitek? This makes me think this is a lie and he drew scum with another vet. Which one is lying, however, is the question.

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Good point about the whole "long-overdue thing"
I can not understand C being true, unless Pooka uses weird modifiers on the cop.
I don't understand at a glance why B couldn't be true, but again, this is not proof of scumminess, nor is this a/b/c thing a proof of scum or town. If you differ on this thought, please explain how and why.
This focus on the a/b/c thing seems...opportunistic if it was your whole reason. As it isn't your whole reason, i still discard this part of the argument but am considereing the rest.

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I posted wrote that as I read it, and wondered if there was an answer yet. as it so happened, he had been. I read his posts, but because I was so behind on things (3 or 4 pages at the time, iirc), I didn't know what catching up would show, and I wanted a point made of it.
...I do like your questioning Trent at the very bottom of this post.

I didn't say "to balance". I said "to help balance." Visitor is an anti-town role if there indeed is a watcher/tracker. No-one has refuted this. In so many words, I have asked for people to comment if they disagree, nor have they mentioned how it could be a pro-town role. As i see it, is it just there to confuse a tracker/watcher. Ergo, without more proof or voices to contrary, it is an anti-town role.
Your omitting the one [quoted!] word from your calculation just netted you scum points. Congratulations?
Your next paragraph, however, is something that earns you town-cred, unless you are trying to do anything to make a fake-train tick.

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I approve this logic in P1.

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Thank you for subbing in anyway! Yes, this is ATE, partly, but you also make good points. Why town-claim this early? I do see your narrative of "popping in and not have time" a valid thought line. After all, i am doing similar.

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I don't like this line of questioning in P2. One postpones a PR claim until literally the last minute, because you hope that something--anything--might happen to keep you from having to claim.

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Thank you for pointing this out . i find it interesting that both ZFR and Trent were on SPF and now on Carradice. If Carradice does flip cop, I think these two need to be escorted to the (wireless?) cellular system.
I do like that you showed up and are finally talking. You are making me town-read you more. ATM, i am liking a Dedo vote (or even a Joe vote) more than a Yogs vote based solely on behavior contained in pages 18-19.

I wonder if Joe & ZFR are scum together? i feel like I have mentioned this previously?

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would youbelieve him? would you believe an IR?
Would you support a role claim on Mylo? LYLO? when? I don't think i have ever been alive for one, or if I have, I don't recall. I do know that I didn't really pay attention to last game after i left it.

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this makes no sense? i see nothing suspicious other than you are trying to cast a town-read or aspersions on the leading wagon withoug coming out and saying it?
This is really scummy overall, tbh.

almost willing to vote dedo based on this post

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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, I like the rest of this post. A lot. Not saying that this means Joe is town or scum, but i enjoyed reading htis.

this seems all kinds of wrong, as I mentioned to dedo above. Explain please in full detail what you think you mean or I will blame this whole thing on rolefishing and call you scum.
952 is accurate as I read it.
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that...really happened?! wow. i can understand town being desperate enouh to do it, but actually doing it seems stooping to doing anything to win, and just...not playing the game but debating the instruction sheet? idk...
yes, I do like the scumplay in this game; it has been really difficult to find things. I wonder how different this would be if we didn't have the "majority gets imprisoned" rule

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I don't see how it does...

major tone shift as I see it from 953/951.

well, everyone, i have finished pg 19 and need to go cook dinner, so i'll post this as is.

Here in this post I gave my thoughts to FlockeSchnee on Busing and Distancing. Getting in arguments and pushing a scum partner is how you distance yourself from them so in case they are lynched you get some Town cred, and if that was all ZFR and Carradice kept doing with each other was arguing and pushing each other it could be seen as distancing from one another, but ZFR has been adamant that Carradice needs to be the lynch today because he believes the probability of him being scum is high since Scene's flip. ZFR voted for Carradice at that point and has been pushing to get everyone else on board with it. Arguments have happened between the two after Scene's flip, and IMO if it was only distancing that's all it would have been is arguments with no voting and pushing others to vote. So to me if ZFR was trying to bus Carradice he would have made some arguments to begin with and let others run with it, and then jumped on the wagon at some point to get the Town cred and my thought is most others would have seen it this way as well.

Now I could have it wrong and ZFR is making a play as scum to get his buddy lynched so he gets to be overlooked by others, but I find this case unlikely.

I really like this, even though it might not be true. Unless Flocke and Carradice are both scum and came up with this to try and get us both off Carradice's case.
Hmm...interesting point re ZFR, will consider.

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interesting. So, are you voting him or voting an alternative, and if so, who?

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so, either Dedo and Joe are a scum team or they are not or they both got the same flavor and i think that is enough on that subject!!!

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We did put ourselves in each other's place at the start, and as I recall, you organized most of that, so while we did converse re it, I'd still take this with a slight grain of salt, because you're certainly decent at it, even if you say it is hard to so do.

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As far as the following part of 931 goes
at risk of sounding like a broken record, I find this perfectly comprehensible.
as cop, or any other Town PR, you want to never acknowledge that you have a PR. in this way scum doesn't know you don't have a PR and won't hunt you. in this instance, you don't claim until you are at a) L-1 and B) have tried to logic your way out of L-1 before you pull out the Big Reason.

Odd that this doesn't make sense to you, but I won't accuse you of a Deliberate Misunderstanding...yet.
But I agree that at first reading "long due" and "long overdue" as used in two posts, separated by time, do appear to have been assigned different meanings, or at least ZFR & Joe are trying to make us see it that way.

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Would you prefer the pile of jeans to be in the laundry room? And what if they were Blue Jeans or brand-new jeans?
And why not bring in a mouse to get rid of the elephant?
Keep in mind that the elephant was brought in to get rid of the lion, which was brought in to get rid of the dog, which was brought in to get rid of the cat, which was brought in to get rid of the mouse who was eating all of the king's cheese.

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That is truly great news!!! I'm glad you are feeling better now.

THE PROPER NAME IS FRENCH FRIES (but only if they are cut into french-fry shape)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
(will i get modkilled for mentioning french fries? :O )

as timestamps on GOG are notorious, could you please mention which posts gave you this feeling and why?

Thank you. Very much. I really appreciate this. I see no flaws with this argument, and am close to being persuaded into voting Carradice, mostly because of the seeming evasiveness. I keep hoping something else will jump out at me, though, so with a few hours left, and Joe wanting to do rereads, I won't, but hte temptation to do a first-ever hammer is there. it ouwld be much more there if I had more than a niggling doubt about Carradice.

If C is town, I suspect ZFR of being the biggest culprit, and our suspect for toMorrow.

leaning town:
trent

if C is scum,
leaning town:
ZFR, dedo, joe(?)

everyone else: unknown.

I actually have an answer to this now. If Yog is scum Joe is most likely Town. Joe is most likely Town regardless of Yog but scum!Yog should make Town!Joe even more likely.

Uhm, what?? Your bit here is what makes no sense. Why would I say myself what I'm looking to get from the other side which would serve as a proof to me? Either I am misunderstanding what you mean here or you are terribly misunderstanding (which I really don't see how it can be possible as it should be pretty obvious but I suppose anything can happen) what I meant back then or there is something fishy going on here. I would like you to explain exactly what you thought was happening here, please, as what your wrote makes absolutely no sense.

Maybe I'm not paying enough attention which I apologize for but why would I lean Town if Carradice flips scum?! ZFR fine, but why me exactly? Up to this point I've been generally playing more in their favor than not with one small deviation about ZFR's unvote and now near the end. Are you mixing up players and reads here?


On other news I did finish the second half of the Carradice's re-read and I can't really see what Trent apparently saw in the earlier posts but the latest line of questioning about the claim and the matter it was done in does look like a valid concern.

It's likely that the Carradice wagon would seal itself so there is no real need for me to hammer it (unless you don't want to use the rest of the day).


I'm going to

vote Yogsloth

instead.

B and C cannot be true, because it would mean that scum just let a claimed Cop live without countering him in any way. They had to either NK him or Block him, they couldn't just let him live on the off-chance he gets blocked another way.

Are you really not seeing it?

I think he's scum now. So what do you think?

As for other role claims on M/LYLO, It was a thetorical question because it depends on the person, the role, the circumstances. I can't say without seeing how it looks. Or are you expecting a yes/no response now to whether I'd support a roleclaim at M/LYLO if it happens tomorrow?

(Also, small request: I know you don't want to quote the whole text of others, but can you post a one sentence summary instead of *snip*? Makes it easier to track what I'm responding to, especially that with scene's deleted posts, sometimes you're taken to the wrong page when you follow the quote link).

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If the lynch could be only achieved with majority, would you support this wagon or not?

I'm not too certain about the outcome and I rather be on Yog's wagon but I would, yes. This is me going on record about it so you can count me on it for all intents and purposes.

Duly noted. :-)

I was thinking, "I can't say anything, they will think I am lazy, (as if you all didn't know it already) but does this have to be so difficult. I first have to click dedo's quote to take me to Micro's post, then scroll down that one to find the right quote and the nclick that one to take me to yet another post to see what is it all about." Well, know I don't have to say anything and people won't think I am lazy.

Holy fuck Vitek. Many thanks! I'll incorporate this into vote counts and all that stuff beginning from my next vote count or Court Phase 3.

I’ve used that time clock in a previous game that had a set time line, it’s a pretty neat thing that Flub turned me onto.