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SirPrimalform: Or easier if our masons are in fact another mafia faction.

I think it's unlikely though.
Yes, it is. It would have to be a non-killing faction. Which means they could be a neutral faction. But a second scum team is unlikely.

For now I'll keep operating on the assumption that we have only one scum left. We should first wait for GR's confirmation and then move on to try to find the remaining scum.
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GameRager: All I know is that this is gonna likely seriously put a damper on my whole "dies before day 3 every time" streak. o.0
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SirPrimalform: It's already Day 3 and you're not dead!
Dammi....I mean Yayyyyyyy! *waves arms like Kermit*
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blotunga: But since the majority insists on it, GameRanger and I are town masons. There, nothing spectacular, but it would've been an advantage for scum to focus only on me for the night.
Dammit, why'd you have to basically put targets on both our backs? :\

Oh well, it's out now at any rate....best make the best of it.
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blotunga: Khm...
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PookaMustard: Yeah, you NINJA'd my face!

Town masons.

(unvote) GameRager, you confirm what blotunga said?
See reply to blotunga above this bit.....you guys/gals basically put us right in the crosshairs, y'all know that right? o.0
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blotunga: let's move to a different topic...
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SirPrimalform: You seem so eager to not have to answer any questions. More details! What is your name, what is your role name? What exact mason variant are you?
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blotunga: Haitian Mason. And I'm sure town. Not sure if my name is any help, but it's Letitia Jorssend. I'm sure GameRager will confirm my story when he gets online.
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SirPrimalform: It feels like you're dodging my questions, but maybe I just didn't ask clearly enough. There are a few mason variants, how exactly does your role work?
Stop fishing for info, pal-i-o. If blotunga wants to give it out and feels it pertinent he(or I I guess) will give it out when need be.
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blotunga: Nope, no chat. Funny thing is that at some point I told Joe I was unsure about GameRager and asked if I would know if he was the one converted to scum. I would know.
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SirPrimalform: Hmm, that's kind of fishy. Chat is kind of the whole point of masons. The question is whether it's Joe who made this mistake or you?

Surely Joe couldn't have put 4 mafia in a 14 player game and then left it at 4 when the game dropped to 12 players... That seems a bit much even for Joe.
Tbh I didn't know masons were a PR or that they COULD chat to one another. My bad for not looking into it, but at the time I was having IRL issues that distracted me a bit coupled with the fact I am a bit lazy with such(which you should be able to confirm via my participation last game).
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Lifthrasil: For now I'll keep operating on the assumption that we have only one scum left. We should first wait for GR's confirmation and then move on to try to find the remaining scum.
Confirmed......now let's find that other scum.
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GameRager: Dammit, why'd you have to basically put targets on both our backs? :\

Oh well, it's out now at any rate....best make the best of it.
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Frankly, anyone confirmed town already has a target on their back, so you're not really in any more danger than before.
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GameRager: Dammit, why'd you have to basically put targets on both our backs? :\

Oh well, it's out now at any rate....best make the best of it.
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SirPrimalform: Frankly, anyone confirmed town already has a target on their back, so you're not really in any more danger than before.
The PR though and it's ability gave us an advantage(even if I didn't know about it until today irl), though.....one which is now somewhat gone now that everyone knows it.

(Thanks everyone...:p)

Also it is likely scum will try taking one of us out now that they know about it.
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GameRager: Dammit, why'd you have to basically put targets on both our backs? :\

Oh well, it's out now at any rate....best make the best of it.
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SirPrimalform: Frankly, anyone confirmed town already has a target on their back, so you're not really in any more danger than before.
Yes, but I was hoping I would be the main target as to draw a possible block from a doctor if we have one.
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GameRager: 1st bit: Eh, I am only a vanilla town and town wouldn't lose much if I did do it, and as I said I usually get killed off early on due to my playstyle so if I saw it as an inevitability i'd gladly do it if need be to end the tedium of waiting(if it was sure to happen).
I was wondering earlier about you saying this, but post 437 clears that up for me, since you said you didn't know masons were a PR.

I'm reexamining my earlier guess that scum wouldn't have bussed Trent so soon after ZFR said they both might be scum. I still feel that Lift and SPF are town, but I need to look back at NMillar's posts, since they were last to join in on ZFR's theory.
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GameRager: Stop fishing for info, pal-i-o. If blotunga wants to give it out and feels it pertinent he(or I I guess) will give it out when need be.
Again, that is not what fishing means. Interrogating someone who has voluntarily claimed in order to try and verify their claim is not role fishing (or indeed any kind of fishing). There were numerous things about blotunga's claim that I found suspect, questioning for detail is how you catch scum who are falseclaiming.
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SirPrimalform: Again, that is not what fishing means. Interrogating someone who has voluntarily claimed in order to try and verify their claim is not role fishing (or indeed any kind of fishing). There were numerous things about blotunga's claim that I found suspect, questioning for detail is how you catch scum who are falseclaiming.
To me it technically still is a sort of fishing, and one town should try to do carefully so as not to force PRs to give up info that could help scum somehow.
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GameRager: See reply to blotunga above this bit.....you guys/gals basically put us right in the crosshairs, y'all know that right? o.0
I didn't know blotunga's fullclaim also meant a FULLCLAIM for you. Nobody did actually.

I agree with RFG that I feel both SPF and Lift are town. What they said in the game so far is reasonable and resonates with me. I'd go for one of LOLchan or Nmillar as today's lynch.
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PookaMustard: I didn't know blotunga's fullclaim also meant a FULLCLAIM for you. Nobody did actually.

I agree with RFG that I feel both SPF and Lift are town. What they said in the game so far is reasonable and resonates with me. I'd go for one of LOLchan or Nmillar as today's lynch.
Well then town players need to look for subtle hints(by blotunga and by me once I got that I was a PR as well) to not delve further or press town for further info that might also make other town become targets. ;)
100% town by PR
Blotunga
GameRager

so scum has to be one of these

likely town
SirPrimalform
Lifthrasil

somewhat town
PookaMustard
RedFireGaming
NMillar
LOLchan

allow me to clear my name.

Why would I help facilitate in the of lynching trent. As a new player even if I was coached in PM I would stand little chance of surviving. If I was scum I would probably soft out myself to protect trent.
My “lurking” is from my inability to know what I say in most situations that hasn’t been said. (as saying something prior stated would appear scummy) I don’t yet know who is the third scum but for now I will look at the trent train to see if I can find some leads.
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LOLChan: likely town
SirPrimalform
Lifthrasil

somewhat town
PookaMustard
RedFireGaming
NMillar
LOLchan

allow me to clear my name.

Why would I help facilitate in the of lynching trent. As a new player even if I was coached in PM I would stand little chance of surviving. If I was scum I would probably soft out myself to protect trent.
My “lurking” is from my inability to know what I say in most situations that hasn’t been said. (as saying something prior stated would appear scummy) I don’t yet know who is the third scum but for now I will look at the trent train to see if I can find some leads.
I like how you put yourself as somewhat town......seems funny in a way.

Also why would you(if scum) out yourself to protect trent? If you got lynched then eyes would have gone back to trent, most likely, losing scum the game.

I agree we need to check into the trent train, however, as well as those who didn't vote and what they did leading up that lynch.
I'm leaning slightly towards nmillar being scum. Something about the way he joined the wagons.

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nmillar: Whoa! Just saw agent's "I was scum, now I'm town" post. Unvote SPF, vote agentcarr.
With agentcarr there's a feeling of "My buddies are bussing each other. Whoops, better pick a side quickly!

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nmillar: Yeah, somehow managed to scroll past that on my phone! My bad ...

vote trent
With Trent's wagon, nmillar was theoretically in favour of lynching Trent earlier on but seemed to spend a long time stalling before eventually hammering. Once the lynch seems inevitable you've got to make sure you're on the wagon!

It's not much, but it feels like something. Anyone got any thoughts on my thoughts?
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SirPrimalform: With Trent's wagon, nmillar was theoretically in favour of lynching Trent earlier on but seemed to spend a long time stalling before eventually hammering. Once the lynch seems inevitable you've got to make sure you're on the wagon!

It's not much, but it feels like something. Anyone got any thoughts on my thoughts?
You might have a point there, or you might not....I will do a bit of re-reading perhaps tomorrow(irl) when I get back online in 17 or so hours.
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SirPrimalform: With Trent's wagon, nmillar was theoretically in favour of lynching Trent earlier on but seemed to spend a long time stalling before eventually hammering. Once the lynch seems inevitable you've got to make sure you're on the wagon!

It's not much, but it feels like something. Anyone got any thoughts on my thoughts?
Nmillar wanted to slow down the vote.(that's for certain) But it also seems that nmillar was on with trents lynch. Not sure if that’s just a tactic not to appear suspicious. He was however very early in defending gamerager.(post 379)
Make of this as you will.

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nmillar: Woah! Why so hasty to push through a quick lynch? Let's give people a chance to contribute before we rush this through!
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nmillar: This is exactly why I didnt want to rush through the lynch straight away, and take a little more time to see people's reactions. We've now got a highly likely scum in trent, and a couple of other potential accomplices based on their resolute defence, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.
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nmillar: I've been wondering about this. Do we rush the trent lynch, or do we spend some more time figuring out who could be the remaining scum buddy? I'm leaning towards the latter. Until Joe sets a deadline, then I'm going to hold off adding my vote, to allow as much time as possible for everyone to contribute.
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nmillar: I'm almost 100% sure that trent is scum, but I'd like to hear more from the lurkers before I add my vote to the trent wagon. Information is power, so I'm in no rush to end the day early.
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nmillar: It seems that you're trying to pressurise people to finish the day early. I'm holding off until everyone has had their fair chance to offer their opinions. I will happily hammer trent, but not until LOLchance makes an appearance, and GameRager returns to dig himself an even bigger hole than he is already standing in.