It's the result of agent's blunder.

If you truly believe that trent is town, then that's an anti-town attitude.
(Compare with how I defended you in game #59, or how I (wrongly) defended Pooka in the same.)

"The sky could be possibly maybe be considered by some to be potentially be red due to lack of anything and this one vague thing which someone else said, but then again it could be blue as well."

I tend to frequently do wall posts on many different subjects, and for my first real post in this game, under time pressure (it was 1 AM at night my time), there's no way you would've seen me do anything else. You can interpret the "---" breaks as if they were all different posts.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but you were receiving plenty of suspicion before my post.

Since you know your own alignment, wouldn't it be more beneficial to your analysis if you saved the last spot on the wagon for someone who isn't you?
Do you consider it likely that trent won't get lynched without your participation?

The point of these questions was to get information from trent, though, not from you.

Also, speaking of analysis, you started D2 with saying that the D1 votes and ZFR's posts should be analyzed. Did you do so, and if so, did you gain any insights from it?

That is a good question. My current thinking is that you're too well aware that you always get suspected, so at the beginning of the day, you didn't think you could ride things out till the end by yourself, and then found yourself somewhat "stuck" in an untenable position.

And if I don't vote I am still suspicious, and losing one town won't(hopefully) hurt us too much. Also sitting on this day is getting us nowhere fast for the most part(beyond the new posts by some lurkers/etc).

If trent flips town(as I suspect) then we can also analyze the wagon, and especially those that most fervently pushed for the wagon.
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True, but you posted such AFTER seemingly trying to clear up any suspicion on post 118(for whatever reason) in the same post.

That combined with the fact I didn't know your posting style*until now) made me think as I did.
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Does it even matter, though? Scum are likely NOT to hammer now due to the spotlight being put on this lynch, and if I vote as a regular vote or hammer people will still suspect me if he flips scum(and also to a slightly lesser degree if he flips town).
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Nice theory, but: .

Seeing as I get suspected at some point and never last a game regardless, playing 'smart'(If I were scum) likely wouldn't be of much help.

Hey, I'm trying to contribute as much as I can, but at the moment I can't really add much, as my thoughts seem generally well aligned with the majority. I would absolutely love it if my prediction of agent, trent and SPF came true, as that would be the second game in a row that I have correctly predicted the scum team! Alas, SPF seems less likely than GameRager at this stage in time.

I'm almost 100% sure that trent is scum, but I'd like to hear more from the lurkers before I add my vote to the trent wagon. Information is power, so I'm in no rush to end the day early.

EBWOP: In the above post 333's 3rd part/reply I forgot to answer the other questions....so here it is:

To Gogtrial: I think trent will either get lynched regardless(by those who think him scum or who want to go to the next 'day' and analyze posts and wagons), or if a nolynch happens then he might survive. But who knows, really.

Also I said for everyone(iirc) to analyze ZFR's posts and the old wagon, including me, but I am lazy and forgetful(irl as I have memory issues sometimes) so I didn't do much of that yet.

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Well most have replied and we aren't doing much but going in circles, so:

Vote Trent

Now to all you others who were saying we should go to the next day/might vote trent: Put your money where your mouth is and finish this "day" already so we can analyze the wagons.

(Or don't and I will take that hesitation by such as a possible scum tell)

1.) DON'T! Self-hammer is almost always Anti-Town. You deprieve Town of the information from the Hammer-slot! It's only a viable Town-move when it's the only way to avoid a no-lynch.
Unless, of course, you are the last scum Tomorrow. Then, by all means, please do self-hammer!

2.) And again I will explain: out of fear. If agent outed the entire initial scum-team and trent is scum, then the (new) third scum would see danger of the loss of his two buddies in two consecutive nights. I can very well imagine Scum!GameRager losing his cool and trying to save his buddie, out of fear to be on the path to losing the entire game quickly. Of course you then realized that that was a mistake and rowed back a bit, saying that you are willing to lynch trent after all. Actually it fits very well to a not so experienced scum player. And your statment 'If I were scum I wouldn't play this way' is something I would totally expect you to say as scum. In other words, it is pure WIFOM.

Of course, as I stated before, there are also possible innocent explanations for your defense of trent. We'll just have to see how trent flips.

However, what I find interesting is the way you fight against the implication that your defense of trent makes you scummy if he flips scum. That looks as if you would already know that he WILL flip scum. Because if you really would believe that he is Town, then you would expect to be exonerated tomorrow.

1st bit: Eh, I am only a vanilla town and town wouldn't lose much if I did do it, and as I said I usually get killed off early on due to my playstyle so if I saw it as an inevitability i'd gladly do it if need be to end the tedium of waiting(if it was sure to happen).

Might be anti-town, and the rest of town players couldn't analyze the hammer much, but they could still analyze the rest of the wagon and the posts concerning me made by others.

2nd bit: That sounds plausible, but please refer to the clip I posted to gogtrial above via a yt link.

3rd bit: True, and now that hammer is all that's left we will see who votes and who does not.

4th bit: A town will always try to defend themselves(or should) when seen as scum to save themselves and keep town from losing a town member.

Also it is likely even if he flips town some will try to frame me as scum regardless.

It's not just you. Town doesn't usually hit scum on the first day, and many players are considering Trent already lynched and flipped scum, (me included) so it's really more like D3 or D4.

So then, who's your read for likely third scum, given either a town flipped Trent or a scum flipped Trent? As outlined, I only arrived at you by elimination and ranking. So if you can make an argument against another player, it would be easier to see you as town.

Do not go gently into that good night

And trying to post on mobile... is terrible.

It could also make some see it as me trying to shift suspicion on others, but here goes anyways: I suspect gogtrial a bit for seemingly trying to clear up korotan's off post(118) as one of their first posts here, and also then turning the same post(that they made talking about post 118, not post 118 itself) into a "GR looks suspicious and here's why" deal, which could also be seen as them attaching to the others voicing similar opinions to appear town by association.

I also suspect slightly those who are fervently on the trent wagon if he flips town(as I think he will). If he flips scum then I might possibly have to rethink it a bit.

Tbh I mostly play to have fun with fellow forum goers, even if I mostly suck at it/don't really keep lists and track posts like some do/like I should. As such, I often get labelled as scum and lynched early on, or scum take me out as an easy target.

But even so, I mainly play to have fun. I want my side to win, of course, but if I lose I consider it more important(just a bit more) if I had fun playing rather than if I got lynched or not.

Also as I said I am vanilla town so town wouldn't be hurt too bad if I did get lynched....still, I will take what you said/posted to heart and try a bit more if/when I can.

OK, NOW I have missed a hell ton.

Though when taken from gogtrial's lenses, it appears not that bad of an idea to lynch one of you or trent for the flip, or at the very least have a power role check on you.

Not exactly. For all you know, I might quit.

Can't reveal what it'll be about, but I'm thinking of a platformer with a very simple metroidvania element, with the unique point being the twist of the game itself.

Given the developments that have happened so far, who would be your next suspects if you were lynched instead? What do you think of your korotan theory now that gogtrial has taken his place and is already proving to be the strong town player that he is?

You said this two days ago. Do you think GameRager is trent's scumbuddy, or do you have other thoughts?


Now quickly rereading...

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Haha, "quickly rereading," I said. What a joke.

Anyways, I'm not feeling well about GameRager insisting that gogtrial cleared his name (by clearing the player in the slot before him, korotan) THEN turned the attention to GameRager. I just don't think of it that way. The attention was always on GameRager this D2, and the korotan suspicion wouldn't have done much to placate or strengthen it.

Seeing GameRager, I'm in favor of lynching him (less likely) or trent (more likely) and figuring out if we nailed the scumteam.

oh my. I'll read all these post and try to make sense of everything tomorow.

Yes, I think GameRager is the most likely. I don't really understand why he would defend trent (also highly likely scum), so resolutely if that's not the case.

Do you still have specific pieces of information you're hoping to gain? If so, I suggest you work at acquiring them posthaste. Sitting back looking pretty is not going to gain you much information, and I think all other active conversations are starting to repeat themselves now.

Please do. I think your reactions are the only thing I personally would still like to see more of before ending the day.

If trent is scum, I don't think his buddy would try to defend him. I certainly wouldn't.