I knew it was a good idea to announce it first :)

Either way, I'm not placing my vote until morning when I have had a good sleep so don't worry about me.

I don't believe in either of the latter two options. Doc is more likely numerically than RB.

Would've been so worth it. :P

...
I don't know why I even bother.

trent.
How much of your read is from yourself, how much is transitive through dedo?

Hrm, this is a gog bug with quoting I'm not familiar with. New?
Anyway, my third reply wasn't trent quoting himself, but scene writing something and in the same post quoting a trent post which goes against what he writes. The "scene quoting" is the point, but here's the two quotes on their own:

bump please?

June 21
All of this started with dedo mistakingly claiming that the odds of RB were lowest due to Bs only appearing in the 96-100 range ( #620)

At step 4., what you write is "So to clarify the odds of a Town Roleblocker coming up is either 3% or 4%?" ( #623).

Joe corrected that shortly afterward to 5% ( #625)

I explained shortly afterward that the total chance of RB was 30% ( #628)

To establish that you were around: You posted again a while later without saying anything about this ( #645)

Bookwyrm returned to this point a while later and confirmed my math ( #656)

June 22
At step 5., what you write is "He has claimed a role that there's a 95% probability isn't in the game." as the main reason for voting GR ( #684)

Microfish immediately points out that two people said that it's 30% ( #685)

Joe also points out shortly afterward that the percentage is way higher, claiming it's "more than 60%" ( #687)

You immediately write "I asked someone who I'm pretty sure replied 5% chance of a roleblocker being in play. If you can direct me otherwise I'll look at my vote again." ( #688)

Joe immediately does a roundup of the steps dedo, you, himself, me which I also listed here, again writing "more like 60%" ( #689)

Joe shortly afterward corrects the percentage to "30ISH% chance" ( #691)

I shortly afterward also point this out to you ( #694)

You never show up again. GR gets lynched. And now you portray things this way.

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It's not your vote for GR itself which I take offense with. It's your bad justification of the vote at the time, despite having been told multiple times what the percentages were.
And more than that, it's the way you now portray what you did as "I was told 5%" and "I voted GR after I was told it was 5% for each roll, because it was GR or no-lynch".

You're trying to rewrite history, and failing. Either you knew at the time it was 30%, and gave a bad reason for voting because you felt you needed stronger justification (which is scummy), or you didn't know it was 30%, but then are now portraying things as if you did know and had no choice to vote (which is scummy).

vote scene

Welcome to L-1. Do you want to change your VT claim?

My reads on flub and dedo are not based on each other, they are what my gut tells me. I look at each person individually and base my reads on an over all feeling I get from their actions and what they say. I wish I had the time and patience to logically work things out like several people do as it would make me a better player, but I go more off of my gut than anything. I get it wrong more than right probably, but it's how I play.

For example, if I had to pick one person right now as solid town I would say Bookwyrm. The feeling I get from his overall posts is what I expect from a town Bookwyrm. He could have me fooled, but I don't think he's scum. The next person I have as probably town is you. Where bookwyrm is like 90% you would be like 80%. From there the percentages drop and my list of town to scum forms in my mind

So welcome to the mind of trentonlf, where the gears are turning backwards most of the time and confusion reigns supreme.

I was directing the transitive question toward Joe, since he said that his trust of bookwyrm is partly based on dedo town-reading bookwyrm.
That I started by mentioning you, was because Joe asked who else was town-reading bookwyrm.

Still, thanks for that insight, and particularly for how strong your townread of Bookwyrm is!

@GOGTrial, thank you for your summary, it highlights a bunch of what I felt and saw, but didn't bother to write up myself.

@Dedo, Kudos for announcing your plan first. However, we are at L-1. Gogtrial prefers to let Scene speak for himself, if indeed anything might change before then. By my thinking and timing, we have 18.5 hours until EoD3. He deserves an L-1 chance to speak, maybe. I think he is scum, but am always willing to listen to a L-1 claim (and reserve the right to laugh at or otherwise ignore the same). For fear that mafia will hammer him, perhaps hold off until closer to the deadline to give him a fair chance to claim (again) or defend himself?

What do you mean here?


1) Same, often.
2) Where am I in this list right now?
3) Are you sure you didn't look into my mind by mistake? Or did you look into a mirror, in which case things are reversed and actually running forwards?

@ZFR or LIFT: HOW MANY HOURS UNTIL EOD3? VOTECOUNT PLEASE

While all this is true and highlights errors it ignores my prior reasoning for being the first to start GRs wagon and it ignores the fact I prefered to be on Joe's wagon.

Do you really think I would of deliberately misrepresented the odds as mafia?

I don't have anything new to claim no.

Vote Count

(When you see a vote count please quickly make sure your vote is against the correct player. Let me know if it's not)

scene 4 - Microfish, Pooka, Bookwyrm, gogtrial
Microfish 1 - Joe
flub 1 - trent
trent 1 - scene

Everyone else - 0
Not voting: flub, dedo

9 players. Takes 5 to lynch.
scene is closest at L-1

Less than 16 hrs till end of Day.

@ZFR Thank you.

Maybe? I tried as F. Then again your play is somewhat different than game 57. We lunched GR on a similar misstatement, I'd hate to make it 3 for 3 mislunches.

For our sakes, please list all your suspects and takes on others, from scummiest to towniest.

@ZFR UNVOTE SCENE for now; I'll probably jump back on when I can think in the morning. This way--if scene is town, which I very much doubt--mafia can't swarm him (if they aren't already) and hammer him.

Gnight all.

@Micro, I see you didn't actually unvote. You seem to be waiting for something else to happen so I won't place my vote now but be aware that it's not impossible for me to miss the deadline.

I've been questioning scene about inconsistencies, pointing out misrepresentations, etc for three Days now, and then chasing after him to provide some clarification - and very little of it has ended up clarifying anything. So here I had another one - and then I just stopped bothering to write a question about it. (Also because I'd arrived at enough certainty for my vote.)

Yes.
I think you're transitioning play styles to something much stronger, which I personally like much better (really, respect). But I don't think you're quite there yet, and I think the habits and mistakes of the old way are hard to shake.

Are you expecting this to have changed since #826?

If I was Mafia, knowing my wagon was build, would I then have got off Micros wagon, when it was building, to start a brand new wagon on Trent? Is my reasoning for Trent good or bad?

By itself that's a good point. Still, you might've, if micro was your buddy, or if trent was your buddy, or just in order to make this exact argument.
There are too many WIFOM possibilities, and many other things in your play which don't make sense from one perspective or the other.

With you, as with GR, I look for mindset, and where with GR I saw the mistakes coming from a town mindset, with you I don't. Together with the actions of you being on both mislynch wagons, and SPF's vote for blotunga being easy to see as a way to halt your wagon, and the fact that we have lots of room for mistakes even if there'd be two mafia left, which means that clarity is worthwhile to pursue, plus the fact that we don't risk exposing a PR this way - I don't see a better lynch today.

If you're proven town, your reads and suspicions will of course gain extra weight and consideration.