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Okay, I read some of gogtrial's posts on this page, and I am honestly more concerned about who's on the wagons than who was the 4th voter or similar. In #57 (Captain Sapphire THE MOVIE), I noticed it was fishy that HypersomniacLive was voting on almost every wagon, and this reinforced my earlier (in the game) feelings that he was scum the whole time. By the end of it, it was pretty much revealed that he was scum.

It wouldn't have mattered if he started the wagon or ended it, or if he came in the middle. What mattered is that HSL voted on nearly every wagon from the start of the game.

What's also more interesting than the vote number is the speed of the growth of the wagon. In just two days, scene got five votes, which is more suspicious than if he had gained these five votes over the whole week instead. That's my main issue with scene's wagon, and if we assume one or two scum kickstarted it, all it would have taken is the remaining scum or a reckless Townie to seal the day early.
As I may not have a whole lot of time tomorrow because of numerous meetings and a work deadline, and I'll be taking my family to some mountain resort for the weekend starting Friday afternoon I'll share some current standings for the sake of not leaving a void.

At the moment I feel best about gogtrial and maybe Joe to some extent. Gogtrial is seemingly trying to genuinely figure things out and scumhunt. Joe is giving me a different vibe from the previous game when he was freaking me out for the majority of the game and turned out to be scum indeed. I think I can see wyrm's frustration with scene coming from a town mindset, so maybe I can say I like him too.

Pooka and flub a notch down but also make me feel better than most others. Leaning Town.

I'm pretty certain scene and trent aren't scum together. If I knew for a fact they were not of the same alignment I'd rather go with Trent being Town. I can't see scum Trent attacking scene like he did based on scum agenda alone.

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GameRager, SPF and Micro are neutral at best. I want to see more from them to tip the scales.

I'm afraid that scene might be taken advantage of but at the same time he doesn't really do himself any favors either. I gave him the benefit of the doubt once because of similar assumptions and that didn't turn out great so who knows. Not my top choice for a lynch but I'd be lying if I say I'm adamantly against it.

Blotunga and agent are making me feel the worst from the whole player pool. Basically my top choices.

I think that's everyone.

The names below the line are people who I'd feel more or less comfortable lynching at this point - based on general suspicion/annoyance or for the sake of securing a lynch (pretty much in reverse order from bottom to top).

People above the line are not lynch-interesting to me right now unless something big enough makes me reconsider but I don't really see that happening Today.
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dedoporno: As I may not have a whole lot of time tomorrow because of numerous meetings and a work deadline, and I'll be taking my family to some mountain resort for the weekend starting Friday afternoon I'll share some current standings for the sake of not leaving a void.

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GameRager, SPF and Micro are neutral at best. I want to see more from them to tip the scales.

I'm afraid that scene might be taken advantage of but at the same time he doesn't really do himself any favors either. I gave him the benefit of the doubt once because of similar assumptions and that didn't turn out great so who knows. Not my top choice for a lynch but I'd be lying if I say I'm adamantly against it.
1. Have fun on your vacation/trip

2. I don't post much in such threads...just a head's up. I usually lurk and respond to few posts while making my mind up on people playing.
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gogtrial34987: But is it actually "voting scummily"? Are those wagon-positions really more likely to be filled by scum, or is that a misconception that's held widely enough that it's an easy reason for scum to latch on to as justification for a vote? (FWIW, I understand the reasoning; scum don't want the attention from starting a wagon or hammering - but scum knows that this is known, so wouldn't they, etc, etc. And at the end of all that, is there still any value in basing votes on wagon positions?)
That's some impressive WIFOM. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. I don't like it. It isn't possible to accurately employ layers-of-thinking in this game, so you have to work from axioms.
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supplementscene: Since when is stating their could be a SK a twist?
That's not the point I was making. You were suggesting there would probably be a SK based on what you know of ZFR's character despite what I and various other people told you. Anyway, I've said what I felt the urge to say on the matter.

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supplementscene: If this is true, I'm willing to vote for myself so long as 6 players are willing to lynch you on Day 2 if I show up Town. It will either show one of the following:

1. You're Mafia
2. You're unable to seperate personal feelings from Mafia games

If it's 2, Town probably lose, so that is totally on you. If it's 1, Town get a Mafia hit.

If we have 6 people agreeing on this I vote supplementscene

If you happen to be Town, you're fucking Town over with your personal biases
I don't follow your logic for those being the only two possibilities. You find it impossible for town!trent to find you scummy for any legitimate reason?
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agentcarr16: I like you.
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gogtrial34987: Both of you just skip completely over my posts, don't you? :'(

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No sincerely we don't.

Why just this morning we were cuddling in bed before heading off to nude pilates and agentcarr16 specifically pointed out something you said about something.

or maybe it was all a wonderful dream......am I supposed to leave the worm in the bottle of tequila??

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Microfish_1: .........
However, this doesn't mean that they--one, t'other, or twain--aren't scum.

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twain
Post edited June 13, 2019 by Microfish_1
This, and I hope it works this time: Choo! Choo!
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So just over 2 days to deadline, other than my vote on GOGTrial I'm willing to go:

Trent - He took position 4 after Pooka voiced his potential. This seemed opportunistic - GOGtrial has defended 'position 3 and 4' ie Trent and GOGtrial. Why Scum do typically jump on positions 3 and 4, I know I have.

Blotunga - his 5th vote seemed opportunistic and subsequent unvote when questioned on it, alongside his claim that there's probably Scum on my wagon didnt sit right.

Microfish - big departure from the amount of analysis last game. He says he can't play on his mobile, which sounds kind of reasonable I suppose.

I'm sure there are some lurking Scum players. The SK if there is one is probably lurking. Still if I'm the lynch and I show up Town I want Gogtrial or Trent to be Day 2 Lynch.

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gogtrial34987: I'm pondering angles about how you... 'enforced' ("gave legitimacy to"? something in that direction) scene's early 'dismissal' of the importance of your vote as it "only took the vote to 2", by stressing that votes 3-4 are pivotal.
I believe position 3 and 4 (and 5) are more scummy though because Mafia in position 1 and 2 have no idea if the wagon is going to take off.

After 2 votes at positions 3-5 they can weight the wagon so it is the clearly the leading the wagon. Group think takes over and 'there must be something in this 5 other people think it.'

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SirPrimalform: I don't follow your logic for those being the only two possibilities. You find it impossible for town!trent to find you scummy for any legitimate reason?
Obviously some Town players find me suspicious. Is Trent one of those, possibily. But the fact he's unwavering and also isn't keen on being revenge lynched if I show up Town doesn't quite sit right.
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Microfish_1: @Gogtrial my "mod vote" was present in the first game I played, and will probably be present in the next game I play. Shrug.
It's a way of saying "I'm here and reading, but have nothing to say that hasn't already been said."
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gogtrial34987: I wasn't questioning your mod vote. I was questioning why scene found trent's mod vote noteworthy, but didn't comment at all about yours until the second time I asked him about it, at which point he basically dismissed your mod vote as unimportant.

If scene is scum, then this difference in attitude toward near-identical actions might point a little bit more in your direction than in trent's.
OK now I'm actually sure you're Scum. Instead of picking up on my point that I personally know from out of game Microfish has time to play and isn't posting as much you linger on about a mod-vote implying I'm defending him when in fact I've been quite critical. Maybe your play when I show up Town is - see Scene was inconsistent so it's his fault we misslynched him.

You've also defended Trent twice now, on the mod-vote and secondly on him taking position 4 on the wagon.
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agentcarr16: Scene looks like scene always looks: like an "analyst." I don't find him scummy. Ergo...
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dedoporno: Is there someone you do find scummy (other than Trent, since I don't really see someone being the 4th on supposedly Town wagon as a scummy enough read)?
I think wagon building is key to identifying Scum. I mean Agent could be scum and looking to get off the Town wagon as it gains traction knowing it likely sinks and he looks Town for not being on it. But his vote makes sense from a Town perspective too. 3rd, 4th and 5th spots on a wagon are opportunistic spots at this stage with so little information.

In my last game I managed to claim Lift looked opportunistic getting on my wagon to take me to 3rd or 4th, then I jumped on his wagon to take him to 3rd or 4th. I was rightfully lynched the next round when he showed up as Town.
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dedoporno: Was that before and during your own vote respectively?

I kid, I kid. Or do it?
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Bookwyrm627: Is anyone else remembering Joe's comment last game about how one of ZFR, Joe, and whoever wasn't scum? :)
I am! I recall it regularly!


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JoeSapphire: My read on supplementscene's wagon: supplementscene said some stuff that doesn't make sense and a bunch of people found that frustrating or weird and voted for him.
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gogtrial34987: Please reread the actual reasons for voting from Bookwyrm, me, and trent.
Would you still characterize our reasons for voting him as "finding it frustrating or weird that scene said some stuff that doesn't make sense"?
Actually, yeah.
You link his frustrating weirdness to his behaviour in previous games, which I guess is a step I missed out in what I said, but essentially that's that it looks like to me.
It's just occurred to me that Supplementscene's misreading-or-actively-avoiding-reading rules and therefore-misunderstandings-abound has come up in out of game discussion, too? Quicktopics and the administration and sign-up threads. I can't say with certainty and I'm not inclined to go look right now, but I'll bear it in mind as something I can do, but that might be a reason why I don't see it as significant.


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GameRager: Well then he's off my radar...for now anyways.
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dedoporno: Why? No one should be off your radar just because someone else told you whatever. This is a game of lies and deception. Trust only your self-verified information fully.

Also Joe is very sexy.
More posts like this please. I loved just the first paragraph, but the second paragraph pushes it into my All-Time Top-Ten list of best literature.


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PookaMustard: Anyway, I am atill iffy about scene, and I think it likely that scene and trent are on two different teams,
Does that mean if scene is town you think Trent is likely mafia?
Right Gogtrial is my biggest pick but there's no traction and I literally don't feel

If I was Mafia I would be on Blotunga's wagon as it'd create a rival wagon of 3 votes, a wagon that has a fair bit of a support. However I am questioning if he made a genuine Town mistake. And Joe's lack of commitment to discuss his thoughts on Blotunga bothers me

I kind of want to move my vote to Trent

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supplementscene: .... If Pooka is Mafia he's playing a blinder but I'm pretty sure he's Town. ....
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JoeSapphire: Yeah okay I see that.

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supplementscene: What do you think of Pooka? Trent? Agent? Bookwyrm? Gogtrial? Do you think Gogtrial read through all the games I played?
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JoeSapphire: It's early days for Pooka, but I think he and supplementscene aren't mafia together.
But looking over what I've just written maybe I can see them as a mafia team... huh.

Trent I don't know. I was trying to remember if he got frustrated like post 151 in games where he was mafia.
Is it fair to say you were frustrated with Carr, Trent? Am I misreading?

Carr seems too assured. But that might be character I'm not sure.

Bookwyrm could be whatever. He's openly eager for lunch. I don't have much problem with that.

Gogtrial seems townish. Reacted against my initial acceptance of him and then allowed me to win him over. Can't see why he'd take the heat off completely... maybe he's flattering me so I'd trust him, but I don't know why he'd do it.
I'm not saying if someone says they've copped him and he's mafia I would still be arguing, but for now I'm content.

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PookaMustard: So, now that the man himself is right in front of you, is there anything you'd like to know about me or my thoughts?
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JoeSapphire: Okay now that scene's answered me, how about you?

What do you think of scene?
What do you think of gogtrial? Am I being foolish for trusting him? Is he being so for trusting me?
Any good thoughts?
I don't like this Joe because you ignored and I quote:

"You're only wondering about Blotunga, no actual thoughts that you can put into words? Your vote still is currently firmly on him."

Yet no assessment of Blotunga who your vote is still on. It's like you're not commited to making an analysis so you can later say 'well I wasn't sure about Blotunga anyway'

It kind of reminds of when you made an RVS vote on me in game 55 and never changed it through to lynch.
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supplementscene: "You're only wondering about Blotunga, no actual thoughts that you can put into words? Your vote still is currently firmly on him."
I didn't mean to ignore you, sorry. I meant to say "I'm working on it."

I found when he said "I don't have much time for the game right now," quite compelling - I thought maybe I'm expecting too much of him. So I was hoping to see more and get a better judgement.


Blotunga's being asked questions from various sources and he has a firm answer for them, which strikes me as odd in itself. The logic behind the answers is sometimes questionable, but he's giving the answers with certainty.

UGH I guess I'll have to find examples. FINE.

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Bookwyrm627: How many scum do you think were in that wagon, again?
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blotunga: Likely just 1 max 2.
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JoeSapphire: When you voted for scene, were you thinking that he's probably town?
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blotunga: Yes, I think there is a high chance scene is town by the speed the wagon go traction. Now I'm aware that my vote can be misleading, though I never intended to stay there for long.
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dedoporno: Yet you jumped (in passing) on the person who was gaining vote speed every other post?
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blotunga: Quite right, I wanted to see if someone jumps quickly do do L-1. But then I reconsidered, because I still have the feeling it would be a mis-lynch and I didn't want scene in that position while I wasn't online for a longer period. As I said, at this stage while I haven't made up my mind I try to do different things and see what the reactions are.
^ with the three above examples, I found myself puzzling over the answers "can that really be what he thought/thinks?"
I'm compelled by the thought that he wants to answer the question well - he gives a definite answer rather than saying "I dunno, I didn't really think about it,"
If that is the case, which it might not be, I'd have thought he would be mafia.

So yeah, maybe I'm a bit blotunga-focused at the moment, but he still feels like a good lunch.
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