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Final vote count:

CSPVG - 3 (Bookwyrm627, QuadrAlien, JMich)

with 5 alive it took 3 to lynch.
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If you are interested in what the dead were talking about you, here's the thread:
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/HZ6ua8EQBvL

However, for closing discussions etc. I invite all dead people to be resurrected and return to this game thread.
Boy is my face red.....I was so sure I was town!!

Thank you for hosting Lifthrasil. It was a terrific game and a great set up.

I think this type game with rotating roles should be used again, it's very clever.
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flubbucket: I think this type game with rotating roles should be used again, it's very clever.
Agreed - I'd really like to see a complete map of the path the powers took between players and what they turned into now that we've finished. I mean, I'm fairly certain I have most of it, but it'd be nice to see it completed.

Well played, everyone. :)
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flubbucket: Boy is my face red.....I was so sure I was town!!
You were, right up until that first emission.

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That game was a blast. I, too, want to know the game/mechanic specifics!

I'd also like to get some feedback from other players on my play.
Excellent game - well done town!

Brilliant setup and modding Lift - one of the best I've played on here, and i've played in most of em!
Well, about the game mechanics: as you have figured out, the roles were non-permanent for town. For scum, however, the Godfather role was permanent, because otherwise it would have been too easy for scum to pass the role around and get investigated and cleared. Unfortunately for the Monolith, our Godfather was never actually investigated. Instead Bookwyrm was investigated not only once, but twice. :-)

As for mechanics: there were two full power slots for town (or four half-power slots). But since Watcher and Tracker are weaker roles than Doctor or Cop, they only filled half a slot. That's why at one point we had three roles. The pool of powers for town was: Doctor, Cop, Vigilante (3-shot total), Tracker and Watcher. Each time a role was released, there would be one new role drawn from that pool to replace it (and yes, that could be the same role again).
However, if one power bearing townie was killed, the role he had would die with him and be removed from the pool. Also the power slots for town would be decreased by one half-power. The game started with a Cop and a Vig, both of which were released at dawn.

Later, when P1na was killed (without ever entering the game) while bearing the Watcher power, that power was removed and town only had 1,5 power slots left, filled with Cop and Tracker at the time. Next night dedoporno died while bearing the Cop power. So no more Cop for town and only 1 full slot left. Strangely enough after that Doctor popped up consistently in the RNG. Or was passed along and not released. So we never got a Vig back.

Sage was another one with permanent powers, since she was alone and would not have been able to pass them along. She was basically a JOAT, whom I intentionally made quite powerful and versatile, so that she would stand a chance alone against everyone.

The turning point in the game was IMO, when Robbeasy protected himself, thereby foiling the NK. Otherwise town would have lost the Doctor power, Ix would not have been confirmed and town would have been in a 'lynch correctly or loose' situation. So perhaps by allowing self-targeting for the Doctor, the game was balanced a bit in favour of town. On the other hand, there were also days were I was worried, that scum was too strong. What do you think? Was the balancing OK like this? What could be tweaked for the next time?

And I have one more quesion for you: did you figure out your names? There was a hidden meaning to them. :-)
So the night I investigated flub if I had chosen Krypsyn instead it would have been interesting.

@Bookwyrn I did pass my role to dedoporno but was trying to avoid advertising it. When I told you your focus was too narrow I was hoping you would just let it go. I was trying to allow scum to claim a cop role if dedo had been NK'd and then I knew they would be lying (he was NK'd but no one claimed cop role). You are a very intelligent player, but you talk too much about roles and mechanics in the game. You usually sound like you are fishing for who has a role and what it is, and only scum need to know that so they know who to kill. It is nice it town knows roles, but that is not something you announce from the get go or it will either break the game or create more confusion.
Good job town! You didn't fall for my shenanigans, darn you! :)

Thanks to Lifthrasil for moderating an interesting game, and to yogsloth for assisting. :)

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trentonlf: So the night I investigated flub if I had chosen Krypsyn instead it would have been interesting.
Yep. I was trying to get investigated the entire first Day. That is the reason I went with the terse and semi-vague posting for a while. However, my theory about dedoporno was still totally true in one sense. I was actually planning to do almost exactly what he did if someone voted for Bookwyrm627; he just beat me to it. I saw the word 'loyal', and even though I didn't have it in my PM, it still stuck out like a sore thumb. Scum using it as a misdirection was so plausible in my mind (since it was what I was planning to do!), I was amazed so many people didn't buy into it.

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Although, I'll note that I have gone with terse/vague posting as town in the past to get scum to jump on me and out themselves, so that also wasn't totally a lie...
Post edited April 04, 2015 by Krypsyn
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Krypsyn: Good job town! You didn't fall for my shenanigans, darn you! :)

Thanks to Lifthrasil for moderating an interesting game, and to yogsloth for assisting. :)

Yep. I was trying to get investigated the entire first Day. That is the reason I went with the terse and semi-vague posting for a while. However, my theory about dedoporno was still totally true in one sense. I was actually planning to do almost exactly what he did if someone voted for Bookwyrm627; he just beat me to it. I saw the word 'loyal', and even though I didn't have it in my PM, it still stuck out like a sore thumb. Scum using it as a misdirection was so plausible in my mind (since it was what I was planning to do!), I was amazed so many people didn't buy into it.

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Although, I'll note that I have gone with terse/vague posting as town in the past to get scum to jump on me and out themselves, so that also wasn't totally a lie...
If flub had not made the comment about welcoming all investigations I probably would have investigated you. I even thought for a bit after Books and flub flipped scum you might actually be town LOL. When you were lynched I half expected you to flip town and Ix to be lynched the next day.
Congrats everyone!

I am out of town for a couple of days, on mobile, so hard to post full thoughts, but this sure was a fun experience. Both sides came close to winning... Funny how one decision here or there swings the balance of power!

Hope to see you in the next one!
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Lifthrasil: What do you think? Was the balancing OK like this? What could be tweaked for the next time?

And I have one more quesion for you: did you figure out your names? There was a hidden meaning to them. :-)
Sounds like it could have gone either way, since scum could have tried fake claiming. I don't think the self-target doctor power was too strong; the doctor couldn't protect two nights in a row, after all.

As I stated in the PM, that my name (Malyn Novo) might be along the lines of "New Guy" amused me. I did some more looking, and it looks like the names are taken, at least partly, from town locations. I think from the Chernobyl area, but I don't remember.


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trentonlf: @Bookwyrn I did pass my role to dedoporno but was trying to avoid advertising it. When I told you your focus was too narrow I was hoping you would just let it go. I was trying to allow scum to claim a cop role if dedo had been NK'd and then I knew they would be lying (he was NK'd but no one claimed cop role). You are a very intelligent player, but you talk too much about roles and mechanics in the game. You usually sound like you are fishing for who has a role and what it is, and only scum need to know that so they know who to kill. It is nice it town knows roles, but that is not something you announce from the get go or it will either break the game or create more confusion.
I'm not always good at noticing subtle hints (and someone pointed out that I was missing things: yes, I was). My whole claim on you being scum was what I thought was a lie. I guess it was a miscommunication somewhere; I was trying to draw you out to figure out whether you were false claiming, since I'd just had a power too and I (thought I) had a good idea of how they passed.

Now I see why people avoid mechanics discussion (or most solid topics) early. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to leave any real ground for conversation until 2 or maybe 3 days have passed, which probably means 4-6 town are already dead.
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Krypsyn: Good job town! You didn't fall for my shenanigans, darn you! :)
I was staring at your posts involving Sage "being mistaken" or "not telling the whole story" and thinking "You killed Trentonlf. I know it was you. I have no actual proof of this, I don't quite know the details of how I and will have difficulty explaining it to the others, but it was you." :P
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QuadrAlien: I was staring at your posts involving Sage "being mistaken" or "not telling the whole story" and thinking "You killed Trentonlf. I know it was you. I have no actual proof of this, I don't quite know the details of how I and will have difficulty explaining it to the others, but it was you." :P
Funny thing was, when I mentioned that, she wasn't missing anything. As for me killing trentonlf; I didn't kill anyone... ;)
Are scum willing to post a link to the scum night thread? I'd love to see what you guys had to say amongst yourselves.
Yeah someone post scum chat. I can't on my phone.