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trentonlf: It seems as if most are waiting for something to happen, I guess hoping someone will just jump out and confess.
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yogsloth: Well, it worked in Day 2!

I still say it's a mistake to forget about Ixy and why he jumped on the sword. But hey. I can't make anybody else care.
I still don't see Ix as having done that to protect JMich. What reason would he have to sacrifice himself for JMich?
Here's your first response:
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dedoporno: I haven't used the change as something incriminating, just listed it as one of the things that made me raise my eyebrows.
Then I replied with:

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HijacK: Also, your point is invalid still. There is no precedent for what you're implying, and it seems with no lynch you became desperate to grip on straws.
A rather weak point form me since while the precedent does not fit the suspicion, it doesn't mean it fits otherwise. Which brings me to my point. I would've dropped it right then and there, if a few posts later hadn't you replied with:

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dedoporno: Once again, I listed my choices and the reasoning behind them, because I believe this is better than keeping quite and waiting for the deadline to force us making a move.
Once again? I'm fairly certain you dismissed my claim that your points about me are faulty on the basis they are things that made you "raise your eyebrow." Yet "once again" you tell me you listed your choices with the reasoning. Reasoning right there is a strong word. If mere observations are reasoning, I'm wondering how did you not jump on every single player so far who did something faulty.

Then I replied with:

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HijacK: When I confronted you about my tone as something potentially incriminating you shoved it off as just an observation, yet here you stand in this post explaining how that was in fact reasoning for a list of candidates. How come you contradict yourself?
What exactly am I missing here? Since when is observing the same as reasoning and an observation the same as a reason? I can check the dictionary if you want.

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dedoporno: I'm not. I don't know why you see it that way or try to make it look like that. I haven't "shoved off" anything, but it is indeed an observation. This observation serves as an argument, as flimsy as it may be, to why I would consider you if pressed by time. I feel like you are trying to twist my words to discredit what I'm saying.
You do? Check the above argument that I've made.

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dedoporno: I guess this is somewhat understandable since I have introduced you as a possible votee (is that a word?), but you seem to be getting a bit too defensive for something as small as an observation that should be discarded based on previous game experience.
I haven't tried to discard the observation, I've tried to discard it in the condition in which you used it as a reason. While the precedent argument is not strong by any means, I still think this "reason" is not only faulty, yet very suspicious. It seems to miss the forest for the individual trees.

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dedoporno: I said I have doubts about you and I suddenly became non-town (not sure if I was something else prior).
Given the fact I haven't shared any of my beliefs regarding the game, how do you know you "suddenly became"? You don't. So I don't see the point you're trying to make here.

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dedoporno: This looks kind of OMGUSy.
Then let's call every single time I dismissed and bashed the points others tried to make about me as OMGUSy, shall we?

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dedoporno: What will happen if others say they feel the same way? All anti-town?
Depends on what I actually think. Of course, take in consideration the context of the conversation. Not town = neutral, aka fence sitting, or scum.
This, and if I really thought everyone who tried to discredit me was anti-town, ddickinson and JMich would've had a vote on them for a long time now.
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yogsloth: Of course we know CSPVG doesn't care, but when was the last time HSL posted? .
About 4 days ago?

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trentonlf: 1. Dedo for his slip early on when not using town in reference to himself.
3. Ddickinson claiming role of taxi driver and then targeting the two claimed cops causing chaos and confusion
Shouldn't mine apply to ddickinson as well or did you just accept her excuse about it?
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yogsloth: Of course we know CSPVG doesn't care, but when was the last time HSL posted? .
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dedoporno: About 4 days ago?

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trentonlf: 1. Dedo for his slip early on when not using town in reference to himself.
3. Ddickinson claiming role of taxi driver and then targeting the two claimed cops causing chaos and confusion
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dedoporno: Shouldn't mine apply to ddickinson as well or did you just accept her excuse about it?
If ddickinson did the same thing as you I missed it, and yes it would apply to her as well. I would still have my vote on her if I did not believe CSPVG was a town cop.
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HijacK: What exactly am I missing here? Since when is observing the same as reasoning and an observation the same as a reason? I can check the dictionary if you want.
Oh, so that's what it is. We are going to pick on words and dictionaries. Let me remind you that both of us are speaking English as a non-first language. I don't know what meaning you pick up when you read my posts but I know what I place behind my words. And it's exactly what I said I meant. Feel free to push it more but now I think you are starting to reach just to push back.


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HijacK: Given the fact I haven't shared any of my beliefs regarding the game, how do you know you "suddenly became"? You don't. So I don't see the point you're trying to make here.
From my point of view I was "nothing" up until that moment. You can say you have been suspecting me for days and such, but didn't bring it up at any point. The change from nothing to suspicious/anti-town based on semantics, because I listed you as a person I suspect was sudden, yes.

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HijacK: Then let's call every single time I dismissed and bashed the points others tried to make about me as OMGUSy, shall we?
Of course not, but this time you didn't just dismiss and bashed my point - I gained "massive suspicion". And for what? For listing a few things that I noticed and felt odd.



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trentonlf: If ddickinson did the same thing as you I missed it, and yes it would apply to her as well.
No, you didn't miss it. You were one of the couple of people who bit her about it instantly. I'm talking about her first more serious mistake when she distanced herself of the Town while discussing whether or not we should lynch RWarehall.
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dedoporno: Oh, so that's what it is. We are going to pick on words and dictionaries. Let me remind you that both of us are speaking English as a non-first language. I don't know what meaning you pick up when you read my posts but I know what I place behind my words. And it's exactly what I said I meant. Feel free to push it more but now I think you are starting to reach just to push back.
I'm not pushing anything since it is not needed. You however seem eager to push for a lynch based on "eyebrow raising" arguments.

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dedoporno: From my point of view I was "nothing" up until that moment.
So was everyone else, and most still are.

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dedoporno: You can say you have been suspecting me for days and such, but didn't bring it up at any point. The change from nothing to suspicious/anti-town based on semantics, because I listed you as a person I suspect was sudden, yes.
Oh, but don't care if you suspect me or not. What I care about are the reasons. I don't see them as anything viable.

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dedoporno: Of course not, but this time you didn't just dismiss and bashed my point - I gained "massive suspicion". And for what? For listing a few things that I noticed and felt odd.
You act as if you were the only one who got this happening to him. I suspect everyone who makes weak arguments while pushing for a lynch.

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yogsloth: Well, it worked in Day 2!

I still say it's a mistake to forget about Ixy and why he jumped on the sword. But hey. I can't make anybody else care.
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trentonlf: I still don't see Ix as having done that to protect JMich. What reason would he have to sacrifice himself for JMich?
Well, that's what I'm looking for: discussion as to why. If he didn't do it to save JMich, why did he do it?
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yogsloth: Of course we know CSPVG doesn't care, but when was the last time HSL posted? .
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dedoporno: About 4 days ago?

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trentonlf: 1. Dedo for his slip early on when not using town in reference to himself.
3. Ddickinson claiming role of taxi driver and then targeting the two claimed cops causing chaos and confusion
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dedoporno: Shouldn't mine apply to ddickinson as well or did you just accept her excuse about it?
You are right and I did say something in post 954, and I completely forgot about it.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_25_terror_at_tres_leches/post954

I guess yours stuck with me more as a by discussion happened over it with you and Darko.


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I honestly have no idea why Ix behaved the way he did, I just find it hard to believe he did it to save JMich.
EBWOP

I guess yours stuck with me more as a by discussion happened over it with you and Darko

Should read

I guess yours stuck with me more as a big discussion happened over it with you and Darko
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yogsloth: Well, that's what I'm looking for: discussion as to why. If he didn't do it to save JMich, why did he do it?
I don't know. At the point where he claimed scum, it looked quite certain that either he or JMich would be lynched. He voted on JMich, yes, but at the same time behaved so scummy that everyone else voted for him. So yes, in a way he protected JMich. But if that was intentional I don't know. It might have been a scum team realizing that one of the two was going to get lynched and trying to create enough confusion to give the other one a chance to survive. Or it might just have been Ix trying to create confusion on his own, as a parting shot - because confusion is always good for scum and it was the last thing he could do for his side.

I really don't know how we can guess his motivation. Or anything concrete, actually. Without flips and, up to now, without reliable cop reads, we are just guessing. I still think that JMich is suspect, but so is Sage and I still think, we are on a good track there. Lets just hope that we can come to an common agreement on who to lynch before deadline, let's hope that we hit true and that the next night will reveal finally give us some good read(s).
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HijacK: I'm not pushing anything since it is not needed. You however seem eager to push for a lynch based on "eyebrow raising" arguments.
Thing is I didn't push for your lynch, yet you decided to fight back fiercely. I listed two other people before you just because the things I don't like about their play so far seem more solid than the ones about you. Maybe you would prefer for people to raise questions only to those that are way deep in scum waters, but I choose to bring light to everything that seems more or less noteworthy. I don't know how long I'll be around (this should apply to everyone else, too) so sharing observations and suspicions are better than keeping them for yourself. You have showed quite a few times that your style is more "I'm on my own" orientated, but I see this as a team game and trying to work with the others is the way to go for me.


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HijacK: You act as if you were the only one who got this happening to him. I suspect everyone who makes weak arguments while pushing for a lynch.
I honestly don't recall someone making a not-so-positive suggestion about you and you retaliating with "Now I suspect you!!" in this game.


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HijacK: Oh, but don't care if you suspect me or not. What I care about are the reasons. I don't see them as anything viable.
Because they aren't anything solid. Almost nothing is right now, that's why I grasp whatever I can and try to work with it. Sharing it may trigger a discussion and additional information or points of view may emerge that can strengthen a flimsy argument or dissolve it entirely. Keeping quite means to just wait for stuff to happen and try to react to them. In my book pro-active almost always trumps reactive.




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Lifthrasil: I really don't know how we can guess his motivation.
He asked the other scum to unite and strike the town in broad daylight. Why would he do that? If he felt the need to do so openly I suspect scum aren't allowed to communicate during the day, so that's OK. But why rally them? They can get together each night and plan accordingly. We already saw that they use codes hidden in the posts (the typo thing), so they could have done the same thing covertly and gotten better results. The only thing that makes some sense to me is that he was calling out either the neutrals to help the scum out or the other mafia team(s). What else can it be?
I got a question in relation to something I've been thinking about - do night kill targets typically turn out to be town?
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HypersomniacLive: I got a question in relation to something I've been thinking about - do night kill targets typically turn out to be town?
Unless the NK target was a neutral role the scum did not know about then yes the NK is going to be town.
This is the point where I reckon Ixy starting behaving very oddly.

At that time, he placed the fourth vote on JMich. There were only two votes on him. Then, cristi voted for him... and it all went to hell. Even though JMich's wagon was still one vote "heavier" than his, instead of acting normally, he started... well... raving like a madman.

Then Sage votes for him.

Then ddickinson.

Then Lift.

Then Robb.

Suddenly he's against the ropes 7 votes to JMich's 4 and he's at L-1.

He finally does his outright scum claim here, and then after much hemming and hawing that goes on forever, trent finally hammers.

"Sowing confusion" doesn't cut it for me. Outright claiming to be scum isn't very confusing. It's pretty bloody direct.

If you think he wasn't running interference for JMich, well, maybe... him casting the halfway vote on JMich might lend credence to that...

So what the Hell was he doing?