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trentonlf:
Flub, have you heard from CSPVG?
Oh, right! This guy was playing with us at one point, too :D

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adaliabooks: Well we already know Robb's role isn't much use (hence why I suggested him). And mine isn't a huge amount of use either, so I'd be happy to sacrifice myself.
Discussing this right now is absolutely pointless and potentially dangerous. Let's leave it for a time where we have nothing to go on. Thank you.
I don't think intentionally lynching a townie just to clarify the flip situation is a good idea yet. When we run out of other ideas it may be worth discussing, but as for now I would suggest we continue to try to lynch scum. Up to now we are making good progress. We eliminated two anti-town persons and if we keep this up, we will improve our overall chances. Or in other words: as long as we keep hitting scum, everything is fine. Let's not sacrifice one of our own as long as we have other chances.
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HijacK: I find it funny you think of all these scenarios yet other possibilities skip you. Also, wasn't this scenario already discussed by crinstingale? I'll have to go back and look it up. Sounds awfully familiar.
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adaliabooks: I'm sure I've mentioned it before.. I can't remember if others brought it up too.

And what possibilities am I skipping? Do share with the group.
I didn't think of anything in particular. This was just a remark that you seem to go with the flow of discussions instead of initiating into "uncharted" territory. Nothing serious, just something that is bugging me, but you're not the only one doing it.

If anything, it won't matter when I decide my night action.
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trentonlf:
Flub, have you heard from CSPVG?
No.
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trentonlf:
Flub, have you heard from CSPVG?
Polyp sentry launched.
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flubbucket: Polyp sentry launched.
I hope you used rubber gloves ;-)
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flubbucket: Polyp sentry launched.
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trentonlf: I hope you used rubber gloves ;-)
Something isn't working in your link up above....
Idiocracy. Great flick.
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yogsloth: Idiocracy. Great flick.
Ow My Balls = America's Funniest Videos

Too many other parallels....

Idiocracy is now.
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Lifthrasil: I don't think intentionally lynching a townie just to clarify the flip situation is a good idea yet. When we run out of other ideas it may be worth discussing, but as for now I would suggest we continue to try to lynch scum. Up to now we are making good progress. We eliminated two anti-town persons and if we keep this up, we will improve our overall chances. Or in other words: as long as we keep hitting scum, everything is fine. Let's not sacrifice one of our own as long as we have other chances.
The problem is we have no way of verifying for sure they are 'anti-town persons' - not for sure. To assume we have definitely hit scum with no way of verification is very very dangerous and we could easily be sleepwalking to a defeat. In fact, massive scum points for suggesting such.

I don't think we have other chances. I think sorting out the lynch / NK / flip mechanics is central to our chances of winning.

I've already said I'm willing to sacrifice to prove the point. I'm town, and if the flip on me reveals anything, we can make the assumption that Town lynches reveal info, Mafia / other lynches don't. If the flip on me reveals nothing, then you

a) scrap the assumption that 'anti-town' lynches reveal nothing
or
b) bang on about how I definitely can't be town, and merrily continue on the way to disaster

It all comes down to whether you believe me or not, but consider this - why on earth would I be suggesting all this if I were Mafia? What possible advantage does it give?
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Robbeasy: .... merrily continue on the way to disaster
A sound plan....I say go with it.
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Robbeasy: I've already said I'm willing to sacrifice to prove the point. I'm town, and if the flip on me reveals anything, we can make the assumption that Town lynches reveal info, Mafia / other lynches don't. If the flip on me reveals nothing, then you

a) scrap the assumption that 'anti-town' lynches reveal nothing
or
b) bang on about how I definitely can't be town, and merrily continue on the way to disaster

It all comes down to whether you believe me or not, but consider this - why on earth would I be suggesting all this if I were Mafia? What possible advantage does it give?
I can't say I'm very fond of the entire martyrdom theme we have going around, but you did suggest the same in the previous game, so I'm not too surprised. Also, your specific situation somewhat allows it this time around since we may have to "take care" of you at some point just to be on the safe side. The things is we still don't need this. A number of people believe that you are really Town, I'm not 100% sold on it, but I'm close enough to work with you while there are better options (or potential for such). I believe someone already noted that it's silly to lynch a person you actually believe is your ally hoping you'll get something out of it when there is a considerable chance you may end up getting nothing.

Basically, I implore everyone to wait for the results of the night actions before resorting to extreme measures or disclosing information that it's not required at the moment.
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dedoporno: I can't say I'm very fond of the entire martyrdom theme we have going around, but you did suggest the same in the previous game, so I'm not too surprised. Also, your specific situation somewhat allows it this time around since we may have to "take care" of you at some point just to be on the safe side. The things is we still don't need this. A number of people believe that you are really Town, I'm not 100% sold on it, but I'm close enough to work with you while there are better options (or potential for such). I believe someone already noted that it's silly to lynch a person you actually believe is your ally hoping you'll get something out of it when there is a considerable chance you may end up getting nothing.

Basically, I implore everyone to wait for the results of the night actions before resorting to extreme measures or disclosing information that it's not required at the moment.
I agree, it's not like we can do anything till morning and the night actions come back in anyway.

But I do think we need to know what's going on. What's worrying me, is that both our lynches confessed. Why? It might have been difficult, but in RWarehall's place I would have at least tried to defend myself and stay alive...
Again with Ix, why just give up and claim scum and get lynched? I don't buy the protecting someone argument, but what if there is more to it?
What if when close to the lynch you get a PM from flub saying you can't claim, or can't claim anything other than a neutral or scum role?
I know that's highly unlikely, but I just don't understand why both of the lynchees have confessed to anti town roles and basically committed suicide... if we had flips it wouldn't matter and we would have been given results and know what had happened, but without flips it's hard to know whether we're really two up on the scum/anti town or whether we're just being the victims of some kind of bizarre rule or power role.

I'm hoping we might have two scum teams, or at least another anti town role, and they get hit and NK'd during the night. If that happens and we get a flip, we'll know that it's method of kill that is important and be able to plan out strategies accordingly.
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Robbeasy: I've already said I'm willing to sacrifice to prove the point. I'm town, and if the flip on me reveals anything, we can make the assumption that Town lynches reveal info, Mafia / other lynches don't. If the flip on me reveals nothing, then you

a) scrap the assumption that 'anti-town' lynches reveal nothing
or
b) bang on about how I definitely can't be town, and merrily continue on the way to disaster

It all comes down to whether you believe me or not, but consider this - why on earth would I be suggesting all this if I were Mafia? What possible advantage does it give?
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dedoporno: I can't say I'm very fond of the entire martyrdom theme we have going around, but you did suggest the same in the previous game, so I'm not too surprised. Also, your specific situation somewhat allows it this time around since we may have to "take care" of you at some point just to be on the safe side. The things is we still don't need this. A number of people believe that you are really Town, I'm not 100% sold on it, but I'm close enough to work with you while there are better options (or potential for such). I believe someone already noted that it's silly to lynch a person you actually believe is your ally hoping you'll get something out of it when there is a considerable chance you may end up getting nothing.

Basically, I implore everyone to wait for the results of the night actions before resorting to extreme measures or disclosing information that it's not required at the moment.
I totally agree that the nights actions may throw further light on the mechanics - i was only pointing out an option for tomorrow should we still be in the dark.
No-one should be revealing anything until night actions are resolved, absolutely...
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trentonlf:
Flub, have you heard from CSPVG?
I have just recently heard from him.

He's just too important to post in the thread at this time.