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Lifthrasil: Your 'style' unfortunately isn't. It is annoying and, worse, un-helpful. You claim to have information that others missed, but you refuse to share it. You hide behind your "I play rough"-style as a justification for not trying to help. THAT is the reason why your play is called 'anti-town'. You even say that you're not even going to bother to clarify your vague statements, even though a clarification would help town, if there were any substance behind your vague hints.
So if you were town, your behaviour would not be 'playing rough' but 'playing stupid'. As scum, however, your self chosen style moniker would fit. Yes, you might be scum 'playing rough' - trying to silence discussions you don't like. Attacking new players and throwing in vague accusations or hints which you then don't bother to explain. So I believe that you are not damaging town out of ignorance, but that it is actually your intent to be un-helpful and that you therefore are scum.
I completely agree. He has been asked more than once to share a little of this information, but he just brushes it aside and dismisses the question. At least he responded to you, when I challenged him about his lack of sharing, I got no response. I think the fact he is keeping this information to himself, offering no clarification, or any kind of detail, is a very anti-town thing. He behaves as though he were a one man team, rather than part of the Town, as he claims to be. For me personally, I think his actions seem very Scummy, or at the least, anti-Town.

Feel free to prove me wrong, HijacK, feel free to start sharing with us, so that we can get the Scum lynched and the Town can win. Town is supposed to work as a team, we are supposed to share what we know so we have a better understand of who is and is not Town. How is it helping if you keep everything to yourself?
I'm not need going to bother with everything after the lynch post and flub's confirmation of no card flip.

This game immediately became not fun. A bastard game. I don't see much point in playing.
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Robbeasy: Aargh - sorry, but I think not revealing role / faction on lynch is about the most bastard mod thing you can do.
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yogsloth: This game immediately became not fun. A bastard game. I don't see much point in playing.
Not having a role/faction reveal does not a Bastard Game/Mod make. Stop your whinging! Yeesh! Bitch, Bitch, Bitch. :P

Oh yeah, you're welcome. :)
Post edited December 14, 2014 by Krypsyn
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yogsloth: I'm not need going to bother with everything after the lynch post and flub's confirmation of no card flip.

This game immediately became not fun. A bastard game. I don't see much point in playing.
Well I'm sorry if you feel that way. But if you genuinely mean that I would rather you asked flub to replace you if possible, because being (hopefully) our town cop I would rather you weren't just phoning it in...

Anyway... you said you read Sage's quicktopic from last game, you should be well aware what we were letting ourselves in for. I know I was.
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yogsloth: I'm not need going to bother with everything after the lynch post and flub's confirmation of no card flip.

This game immediately became not fun. A bastard game. I don't see much point in playing.
Not trying to offend you, but you have bitched an awful lot about the setup of this game from the start. Stop bitching and play or request a replacement as its getting old.
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trentonlf: Not trying to offend you, but you have bitched an awful lot about the setup of this game from the start. Stop bitching and play or request a replacement as its getting old.
Actually, I've enjoyed the setup up until now. Any bitching before this point was of the good-natured variety.

But at this time, you are now correct.

Here's the thing - there are certain, fundamental aspects of Forum Mafia that make it what it is. It is fun because it is a game of sleuthing, strategy, logic, and misdirection. The fun lies in doing your best on any given day, finding out the result, tracking your progress... and either shouting in joy or lamenting in sorrow at the result, then making the needed adjustments on the next day with the new information. It's the joy of discovery and the way discovering new information forces you to adapt that is the core aspect of fun of Forum Mafia.

Removing the card flip completely (and game 23 did reveal alignment, btw) reduces all of this to a game of random chance. All any scum has to do now is claim vanilla town, and there will never be any way of verifying... anything. No manner of thinking, sleuthing, or effort means anything. No lynch will reveal anything. We're in perpetual Day 1, with no progress possible. Lynch CSPVG next... lynch me... lynch anyone, and nothing will happen, nothing will be revealed, nothing will change. Day 1 will start over and over again until the game randomly ends.

This isn't "Hey flub, this is a goofy, wacky, kooky twist!"

This is "Hey flub, this fundamentally breaks the game."

All fun, all joy, all interest that I have in the deep and rich interconnectiveness that makes a Forum Mafia game is gone. With no way to ever learn anything, randomly lynching in meaningless fashion until such a time when the game simply ends... why would anybody want that?

It just isn't fun. I don't see how or why that would ever be fun.

I think the problem is we have a three mods who are such jaded veterans, they're looking for something, anything different just to relieve their monotony - even if it fundamentally breaks the game and makes it something other than Forum Mafia.

I'm requesting either replacement or just modkill. Sorry everybody - I hope to see you in the next one, If I'm still allowed.
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trentonlf: Not trying to offend you, but you have bitched an awful lot about the setup of this game from the start. Stop bitching and play or request a replacement as its getting old.
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yogsloth: Actually, I've enjoyed the setup up until now. Any bitching before this point was of the good-natured variety.

But at this time, you are now correct.

Here's the thing - there are certain, fundamental aspects of Forum Mafia that make it what it is. It is fun because it is a game of sleuthing, strategy, logic, and misdirection. The fun lies in doing your best on any given day, finding out the result, tracking your progress... and either shouting in joy or lamenting in sorrow at the result, then making the needed adjustments on the next day with the new information. It's the joy of discovery and the way discovering new information forces you to adapt that is the core aspect of fun of Forum Mafia.

Removing the card flip completely (and game 23 did reveal alignment, btw) reduces all of this to a game of random chance. All any scum has to do now is claim vanilla town, and there will never be any way of verifying... anything. No manner of thinking, sleuthing, or effort means anything. No lynch will reveal anything. We're in perpetual Day 1, with no progress possible. Lynch CSPVG next... lynch me... lynch anyone, and nothing will happen, nothing will be revealed, nothing will change. Day 1 will start over and over again until the game randomly ends.

This isn't "Hey flub, this is a goofy, wacky, kooky twist!"

This is "Hey flub, this fundamentally breaks the game."

All fun, all joy, all interest that I have in the deep and rich interconnectiveness that makes a Forum Mafia game is gone. With no way to ever learn anything, randomly lynching in meaningless fashion until such a time when the game simply ends... why would anybody want that?

It just isn't fun. I don't see how or why that would ever be fun.

I think the problem is we have a three mods who are such jaded veterans, they're looking for something, anything different just to relieve their monotony - even if it fundamentally breaks the game and makes it something other than Forum Mafia.

I'm requesting either replacement or just modkill. Sorry everybody - I hope to see you in the next one, If I'm still allowed.
How do you know that there will not be a development later where the roles are revealed? Just because the first lynch revealed nothin about RW means nothing overly much at this time. If you are a cop like you said then we know he was anti town and that is what matters.
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yogsloth: <snip>
That's a tad... over dramatic.

We have three very experienced players judging the fairness / playability of this game, I don't think it will be unplayable in any way.

We've already had one role that is out of the ordinary, how do we know there aren't more? Many many more? Maybe RWarehall's role and alignment haven't been revealed because someone used a power to prevent it being revealed.

So this is probably as far from a typical mafia game as you can get, that doesn't mean that it won't be fun.

I hope no one else wants out, there are only going to be so many possible substitutes...
Some people have no patience. What we've seen so far is 2 claimed cops and 1 claimed serial killer. Out of 18 freaking players. We have no idea what's in store for us and, honestly, that's exactly why the Day 1 claims were ill-advised.
In flub I trust.
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DarkoD13: Some people have no patience. What we've seen so far is 2 claimed cops and 1 claimed serial killer. Out of 18 freaking players. We have no idea what's in store for us and, honestly, that's exactly why the Day 1 claims were ill-advised.
In flub I trust.
In flub I trust, you are a brave soul my friend or have a lot of alcohol to keep flub in check ;-)
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DarkoD13: Some people have no patience. What we've seen so far is 2 claimed cops and 1 claimed serial killer. Out of 18 freaking players. We have no idea what's in store for us and, honestly, that's exactly why the Day 1 claims were ill-advised.
In flub I trust.
Thank you for your vote of confidence.

The most important thing for me is NOT to entertain myself. I'm here to moderate a game and make sure the players have a great time. I've been playing this game for many many years and have a pretty good idea what works and what doesn't. I also had the added benefit of Vitek and Krypsyn to make sure there weren't any game breaking bugs.

To insinuate I'm doing this for my own entertainment is at the very least immature. But I understand I have the benefit of seeing the entire setup so I've got it easy.

If you'd like I could post everybody's role right now and we could end this thing today....is that a deal???
Post edited December 14, 2014 by flubbucket
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flubbucket: If you'd like I could post everybody's role right now and we could end this thing today....is that a deal???
No!

I also don't appreciate Yog giving up in such a way. !Yog, If you are no longer interested to participate ask for replacement, by all means. But why would you ask to be mod-killed, especially if you are really who you claim you are? I'm not going to try and persuade to stick around because right now I'm not too sure if I want to play with a person who doesn't seem to care too much for his supposed team.
I'm certainly in favour of continuing playing.

Me and flub talked a bit about setups in the quick topic last game and I know he designed this game for our enjoyment, not his.

I'm with dedo, yogs needs to be replaced if he has lost faith and interest in the game.
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DarkoD13: Some people have no patience. What we've seen so far is 2 claimed cops and 1 claimed serial killer. Out of 18 freaking players. We have no idea what's in store for us and, honestly, that's exactly why the Day 1 claims were ill-advised.
In flub I trust.
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trentonlf: In flub I trust, you are a brave soul my friend or have a lot of alcohol to keep flub in check ;-)
Actual quote from Vitek....Stay sober when you are modposting

Why would you people not think I would not have ALL THIS STUFF WORKED OUT!!!

If Vitek were here he would call all of you stupid. But I won't do that because I am a gracious Mod.

I give you credit for having brains and some have shown exceptional prowess....looking at HypersomniacLive. Nice rookie performance thus far.

Be strong and very courageous....or be whiny pussies, the choice is yours.
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adaliabooks: Well I'm sorry if you feel that way. But if you genuinely mean that I would rather you asked flub to replace you if possible, because being (hopefully) our town cop I would rather you weren't just phoning it in...

Anyway... you said you read Sage's quicktopic from last game, you should be well aware what we were letting ourselves in for. I know I was.
Could we, by any chance, get a summary of that, please?


I have no prior experience with mafia games, except for following a couple here. I thought that flub set up a game that's anything but typical, but I hope that he would have not invited so many newcomers to play if the game wasn't manageable.

While the no reveal of RWarehall's lynch is a bit disappointing, I prefer to think that without this info, it just becomes a set of equations with more variables and conditions to take into account when attempting to solve them. Sooner or later, there has to come a point where some variables will become constants, otherwise the game is broken by design.
So, I'm not ready to give up on the game yet, and if I, a newbie, am not, then I see no reason why the experienced players should be.

Which brings me to yougsloth, I agree with dedoporno, his reaction seems a bit too strong, and him asking for a modkill as a way to quit the game does put a(nother) question-mark to his claimed alignment and role, not to mention that it almost sounds like he wants to ruin the fun for everyone else too.

Question for our mod - is there a replacement pool (don't recall one in the sign-up thread) or would you have to do that now?