But both only claimed faction without role. Crazy!

Roommate is out of the hospital, so nurse duties do allow me to use a computer. Though if you were convinced of my affiliation (correctly or not), then I would be playing the game wrong ;)

Well... if I was convinced you were town (especially if you aren't) then surely that would be a sign of your skill?

In my particular case, no. Quite a few of the veteran players do usually have me in the "Cannot get a read" category, so if I get in a faction category, my game is off.
Unless it's later in the game or I've claimed, in which case the read may be more justified.

I apologize taking so long to respond. In my attempt to read through the posts late at night, I fell asleep.

Holy cow, this and the remainder of the post makes my head spin. I see more clearly how under-prepared I was coming into this. It also intrigues me all the more.

I don’t know what to think about the new development…my gut reaction is that CSVGP’s claims seems fishy or ill-advised at best. Right now my reasoning is going in circles (which was probably the point). I’m going to get some lunch and come back and look at this afresh.

Thanks for answering my question. I wanted to verify that there was no way to utilize him without risk. RWarehall should be lynched tonight.

After re-reading this several times, I first thought “evil” was what caught your eye, but later wondered if it might be “godmother”. Both came from same source. I was thinking of the fairy godmother in Cinderella (primarily the Disney movie). The fairy godmother changes Cinderella and nearby animals into something else (technically that is role changing but it’s the best analogy I had). Cinderella’s fairy-godmother was good, she had Cinderella’s best interest at heart. I took role-killing to be the opposite of this. That’s why I added the word “evil”.


No one did. I was guessing what it meant. That’s why I asked in the first place, I did not know and could not find a reference to it.

I'm not gonna even bother with this. You question me when your best decision is to only lynch those with whose playstyle you don't agree. This is at least somewhat bitterly entertaining. Hah!

For a power that some of the prize winner have indicated it may not be that game changing, I'm finding it interesting you defend it so much, even more so when the winner has behaved suspiciously, which may indicate a potential threat, more than a benefit.

Scum can call people out for scummy behavior as well. So in a way it does make sense, though that is not the reason I voted for you. It's more because of the way you're trying to shove your views and opinion on the prize as a control constant for us in this game, which, conveniently enough, advantages you greatly.

I'm sorry, but I don't see myself piling with yogy on anything, and I don't see myself questioning Hyper or critin. I see myself questioning you for your scumminess, and with this WIFOM crazy post here my vote stays on you. I am am close to being certain you're scum.

This is another reason why I put my vote on him. Seemed like a trap to me, so I reacted accordingly.

I'd say it worked the best on you seeing how last game you managed to lynch a Town power role with the most outrageous theory ever.

It is you who I call scum, not cristingale. Please don't change the subject, scum.

What's hurting town is you giving yourself a free pass with your prize and putting words in other people's mouths.

Where the hell is the matrix system? And thank you for confirming my suspicions of RWare. I begun to suspect him as as soon as he started giving himself bonus town points, but his last posts that I've read scream of desperation.

You should know better than try to predict what I will do. My ace is that scum can never read me. That I make sure of.

This is why we don't often agree on lynch candidates. :P

Note to self: I feel good for knowing what "terse" meant before some native English speaking people. :P Makes me think my A in English 101&102 is genuine. :P

So you're not scum, you're SK? Same thing, different color. No deal for me. Seeing how you can inflict damage upon town, I will keep my vote on you until you're going down.

Is he really not trying to discredit yogsloth though? Note please that I'm not 100% sure yet that yogsloth is the "real" or only cop in this game.

Reading CSPVG's post feels like he's taken yougsloth's claim and the scenarios he presented and, based on what the MafiaWiki says about sanities and bastard games, adapted/ extended them to fit his own claim, thus spreading confusion and doubt among us about yogsloth's claim and who the Town Cop is.
I would feel better about his claim if it hadn't come right after yogsloth's one (right after in the context of his frequency of posting). Unfortunately, we can't know if CSPVG would have made the same claim without yogsloth claiming Town Cop first.
I also find it suspiciously convenient for him to also have had a N0 action, and on top of it to have investigated yogsloth - if someone else had claimed Town Cop, would CSPVG have come out and claimed to have investigated them instead?
I'd also like to hear why he chose yogsloth, preferably before another day passes.

Additionally, if CSPVG is indeed a Town Cop, I have to say that it sucks big time given his playstyle and the fact that he's hardly around. I can only hope that now that he has claimed that he will be more involved, if he's actually telling the truth, that is.

FWIW, I'd like to point out, that Yuen is not a Hispanic word/ name or a made-up word to sound like a Hispanic one. At least in RwareHall's case, Lactosia is made-up to sound like a Hispanic word (the actual Spanish one being lactosa), and Intoleramos is an actual Spanish word. Mentioning it as there was some talk about names and possible significance.
The other difference between their names is obvious, I think.

And since modifiers and such were brought up, and after reading about the role in more detail on the MafiaWiki, I hope that the true or useful/ sane cop is not a Macho one.


I think you have mixed up who used the term "scanned" in their post. I've reread yogsloth's post a few times, and he only says "investigated": Th one to use the term "scanned" was RWarehall:

I've had a reread of CSPVG's post to see if I misread it first time round, but while by posting it at all he is to some extent discrediting yogs, he could do much more to discredit it if he wanted. He's maybe aiming for a more subtle (and therefore believable) way of discrediting him, but I still don't really get that. It would be nice if he would come on and explain a bit further.

I don't find him having a N0 action odd. If one cop did I imagine all of them would (and with 18 players I doubt there isn't another cop of some sort out there)

As for the name... a quick google search turns up this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tequila_Yuen

So while the name is not all Mexican, Tequila is. And the character referenced is a cop. Either it's a very clever addition by CSPVG, or it's true and reinforces his claim.

Ok I stepped into the Twilight Zone didn't I? OK, that sounds weird coming from me, but seriously, what the fuck got us ANOTHER Cop Claim? I scanned this when I woke up, but I got shit to do today, so I can't stay long. No clue how to actually react to any of this, kinda saddened that it happened though. Am kinda amused by Warehall's attempts to get us to spare him from being lynched, but that's just me <.<.

A bit late, but from MafiaWiki (emphasis mine): So, it is hidden, and may not be revealed at all.


Poor M. Freeman, exactly how I feel after the latest developments.


As others already said, the use of "You can" is something to keep an eye on, despite your later explanation, and especially since you avoided my question.


So, have you thought things through? And have you anything to say?


Thanks for the lecture, though my question was not a general one, but specific about your lurking. Then I didn't really expect you to explain yourself, especially to me, as that would defeat the purpose of your lurking. Wonder which of all the above I should consider applying to your case...


Aren't you a tad too eager to finish D1 and terminate discussions?


Hmm... that's interesting, wonder how many will now do a search for their own name to see what comes up, I admit I did.
This also sheds a different light on yogsloth's refusal to state his own name - if names can be searched online and hint at what alignment each player may have...


It's getting late here, so here's a suggestion to anyone else tempted to come out and make a role claim.

Well I did explain why I worded it like that, but if people wish to see something that isn't there, then okay. What question did I avoid?

You mean the "I'm a cop, he's anti-town", "I'm a serial killer, keep me alive" discussions? What discussion should there be after those claims?
See CSPVG's claim. Does it make matter better or worse for town? Have scum gained extra info since that post of mine or not? What benefits will we get from discussions at this point that we won't if the discussions happen during day 2?

Agree, dragging it out does nothing at this point but benefit the scum.

For some reason, I doubt there are only 2 investigative roles. last game didn't have so many players and town still had 2. Or was it 3?

That is incorrect. I do believe in this probability. Not a lot, but I think it is possible.