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The quiet town of Tres Leches was being torn apart like the body of their former Don. The only difference now was the pieces were vehemently accusing each other of crimes and generally being without moral fiber. A voice shouted out above the din, “Shut up and listen to me!! I found something out last night while scouring the crime scene.” It was yogsloth. “I pulled some fingerprints from some scraps of duct tape apparently used to tape over people’s mouths. Those fingerprints belonged to RWarehall.” A gasp ran through the crowd as all eyes turned toward him. “So I put some tape on mouths for fun, that doesn’t make me a killer just a prankster.”

Someone in the back shouted, “Lynch him, he’s guilty.” And that was when the mob uproar started. They were pressing in on him and shoving him down. At one point yogsloth grabbed him and shouted to the crowd, “Hold up!! Mob justice isn’t real justice. Someone still needs to pay for the murder of Krypsynio and Vitekaria. He’s guilty but we have to be cool-headed about this.” The cries of the mob just became more fervent. Lynch. Lynch. Lynch. Lynch. Lynch. Lynch. Lynch.

“Wait a minute. “shouted RWarehall, “I know a way I can help you catch the bad guys. I have special skills I can use…” But they just shouted all the louder. HijacK shoved yogsloth out of the way and grabbed RWarehall around the neck. Sage103082 grabbed his legs and Ixamyakxim held his arms and they dragged him to the noose. HijacK whispered in his ear, “I’m going to enjoy watching you dance at the end of that rope you filthy perverted animal.” The three of them forcefully placed him on top of a horse and tied his hands. CSPVG carefully slipped the noose around RWarehall’s neck and cinched it tight. “I’m telling you I didn’t kill anybody!! Let me live and I can help you.” He screamed. But his cries were falling on deaf ears. The mob wanted blood in their milk tonight.

For a moment time stood still as RWarehall’s pleas of innocence continued and a single hand moved to slap the rear flank of the stallion. The mighty creature reared and took off without hesitation. There was a snap, and then a horrible wrenching sound as the animal pulled against resistance. It seems his leg had become ensnared in the saddle and the brief tug of war between the horse and gallows ended with a pop. RWarehall’s head became separated from his body and was catapulted across the square in an elegant arc. His head landed with a thud near an empty gelato vender’s cart.

“So what happens now?” asked trentonlf. Jmich stepped out of the shadows and flicked his cigarette across the square. “I guess we keep looking.”

RWarehall is lynched. He is dead. It is now Night One. Please submit Night Actions at your earliest convenience. Countdown Timer will be reset.
Post edited December 14, 2014 by flubbucket
Can I get somebody to drag those pieces of RWarehall's body over to the Korova Milk bar please??

Just try to keep them separate from the other body parts already in there if you could, thanks.
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flubbucket: Can I get somebody to drag those pieces of RWarehall's body over to the Korova Milk bar please??

Just try to keep them separate from the other body parts already in there if you could, thanks.
Not it, I do enough clean up work.

Lack of a cardflip though, that could make things quite interesting, but remains to be seen how things go. Does leave a lot of problems simply trusting claims though, as we can't verify what anyone says to be true. I will try a reread soon if I have time, closer to Christmas, the less time I have on my hands.
Flub.... please tell me that not revealing RWarehall's role or alignment is just an oversight?
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adaliabooks: Flub.... please tell me that not revealing RWarehall's role or alignment is just an oversight?
Do you want the truth or a lie??
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flubbucket: snip
No, no, no! You got it all wrong! When I'm doing the badass stance and fighting people I do not talk so much! And where is the confirmation of his role and alignment? Flub......you're such a troll mod! O_O
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adaliabooks: Flub.... please tell me that not revealing RWarehall's role or alignment is just an oversight?
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flubbucket: Do you want the truth or a lie??
God damn you flub.
So you're not happy??
We should have seen that (not) coming. Kudos, flub on the story.

I started this prior to the lynch (I'm slow), but I see no reason not to post it now. It may be a while before I can post again.

In my last post I stated: my gut reaction is that CSVGP’s claims seems fishy
#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:1041#Q&_^Q&Q#
It would be foolhardy to dismiss CSPVG’s post
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CSPVG:
without giving it consideration. So here are my thoughts supposing CSPVG is telling the truth. There seems to be three possibilities.

1. We have two sane cops. Most players, who addressed this, dismissed this option as unlikely. I defer to the experienced players on this. A question after reading the wiki:

If one or both cops has limited shots, would this option be worth considering? Or is it still unlikely?

2. Yogsloth is Paranoid. If Yogsloth is paranoid, CSPVG could be either:
A. A sane cop – seems plausible
B. Naïve - Unless there is a third sane cop, why give us both of these?.

3. CSPVG is insane. This only works if Yogsloth is scum. What’s the likelihood that CSPVG would intel the scum who would later try to scam us. Not likely.

Which leads me back to assuming CSPVG is scum. It is equally unlikely that CSPVG would happen to intel the cop that would later role claim on day 1.

One thing that prevents me from being convinced CSPVG is scum, why make such an outrageous and elaborate claim if it is not true. But that can circle back to – this is what scum would do. His explanations sound sensible, but I would also expect that of scum.

I’m leaning that CSPVG is scum.
No flub. Not at all :P

So, in light of this most recent bomb shell I'm finding it much more likely we could have two (or more) sane cops. As it will be the only way we can positively identify scum. I don't think we can risk touching CSPVG right now, no matter what anyone suspects.

But, I'm wondering if we might not have a smaller scum team than expected to make up for not knowing if we hit them on lynch.
Ack…the bold part in the following was a link to the post:

In my last post I stated: my gut reaction is that CSVGP’s claims seems fishy


It should read:
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cristigale:
If for some reason that does work, it is post #1041
Aargh - sorry, but I think not revealing role / faction on lynch is about the most bastard mod thing you can do.

We all vote and eventually lynch for the result it reveals . Without at least that to work with and look back with we are continually in the dark and its day 1, every day, with no-one able to fully confirm anything.

I really hope Rwarehall is a one-off - please tell me its a one-off no reveal, Flubb?

As for CSPVG / Yogsloth - while I can believe there may be more than one investigative role for town, and while I also could believe there may be more than one cop, the crucial thing is that BOTH PLAYERS have claimed identical Cop types.

If one was a flavour cop, one a role cop, then fine. But NOT both investigative. I suppose there could be a chance one is paranoid, one isn't, but its a push. I personally think one of them is lying.
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Robbeasy: Aargh - sorry, but I think not revealing role / faction on lynch is about the most bastard mod thing you can do.

We all vote and eventually lynch for the result it reveals . Without at least that to work with and look back with we are continually in the dark and its day 1, every day, with no-one able to fully confirm anything.

I really hope Rwarehall is a one-off - please tell me its a one-off no reveal, Flubb?

As for CSPVG / Yogsloth - while I can believe there may be more than one investigative role for town, and while I also could believe there may be more than one cop, the crucial thing is that BOTH PLAYERS have claimed identical Cop types.

If one was a flavour cop, one a role cop, then fine. But NOT both investigative. I suppose there could be a chance one is paranoid, one isn't, but its a push. I personally think one of them is lying.
But what about in the context of no alignment reveal? Does it not make sense to have two cops then?

I have to say, unless this is a one off (and I don't really see that being likely) we can't really trust the role claims of anyone from this point. Unless the non flip was revealed to some players (which I can't see happening) there was no way yogs and CSPVG could know there claims could not be independently verified so I for one will be giving them both more credit for that.

Now I know exactly what flub meant about it being an interesting game...
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Robbeasy: [...] And, one thing about Yogs wording - i've never heard a cop 'scanning' anyone before.
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HypersomniacLive: I think you have mixed up who used the term "scanned" in their post. I've reread yogsloth's post a few times, and he only says "investigated":
You know what - where the feck did I get that 'scanned' bit from?? At the time I was writing my post it stood out, but I can't find it now either!! You are indeed correct it seems that Rwarehall was the only one to use it. Apologies to Yog and ignore any weight I put on it.....
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RWarehall: I was on the fence whether to even use it the two days I had it. Not sure I wanted to use a mostly useless power allowing someone to track or watch me on it.
It's not useless at all. A person silenced in the opportune moment can make all the difference in the world.

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RWarehall: I was on the fence whether to even use it the two days I had it. Not sure I wanted to use a mostly useless power allowing someone to track or watch me on it. Felt even if I tried to use it as a claim of some sort, there would be too much a level of distrust as the power itself sounds kinda scummy.

Remember for me to win, I had to kill everyone or be 1 to 1 with a townie. I doubted I could turn restrictor into second to last townie alive. And then there would be the question of why no one would be restricted after Day 3. I could only go with, I restricted him, but he was killed by scum only so many times, not to mention how scummy that would have made me look.

Figured I had a better shot at ignoring it and claiming Vigi as a fallback plan.
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adaliabooks: Unfortunately, the way I see it, the more likely situation would be for yogs to be scum, and, having investigated an anti town, use that as a way to guarantee his safety (until the second scum team managed to take him out).
I have also considered this, but am more careful now, because an almost similar setup made me take part in HijacK's lynch and we know how that turned out. It's a possibility, but not enough to take drastic measures about it. But yes, we need to be extremely careful.

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RWarehall: Unless you have two mobs and a serial killer, now that would be crazy. I just don't buy a scum faction cop just to try to find me.
I'm now even more inclined to believe that the game may be a lot crazier than we originally thought, so anything might be possible. Hopefully anything but a cult.

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RWarehall: I was on the fence whether to even use it the two days I had it. Not sure I wanted to use a mostly useless power allowing someone to track or watch me on it. Felt even if I tried to use it as a claim of some sort, there would be too much a level of distrust as the power itself sounds kinda scummy.

Remember for me to win, I had to kill everyone or be 1 to 1 with a townie. I doubted I could turn restrictor into second to last townie alive. And then there would be the question of why no one would be restricted after Day 3. I could only go with, I restricted him, but he was killed by scum only so many times, not to mention how scummy that would have made me look.

Figured I had a better shot at ignoring it and claiming Vigi as a fallback plan.
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adaliabooks: I'd like to point out I haven't discounted the option.
As you said in your other post it might make sense if there are two scum factions for one (or both) of them to have a cop.

Unfortunately, the way I see it, the more likely situation would be for yogs to be scum, and, having investigated an anti town, use that as a way to guarantee his safety (until the second scum team managed to take him out). But CSPVGs read says yogs is town. So unless their both scum, or CSPVG is insane / naive it's not possible. Unless we have another cop (please don't claim) I can't see flub giving us only an inaccurate cop...

Oh, and unvote JMich
I'm still not convinced, but at least your posting now and somewhat townishly.
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RWarehall: Unless you have two mobs and a serial killer, now that would be crazy. I just don't buy a scum faction cop just to try to find me.
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cristigale: After re-reading this several times, I first thought “evil” was what caught your eye, but later wondered if it might be “godmother”. Both came from same source. I was thinking of the fairy godmother in Cinderella (primarily the Disney movie). The fairy godmother changes Cinderella and nearby animals into something else (technically that is role changing but it’s the best analogy I had). Cinderella’s fairy-godmother was good, she had Cinderella’s best interest at heart. I took role-killing to be the opposite of this. That’s why I added the word “evil”.
I was talking about the "godmother". The "Godfather" is a proper role in the game and the female version casually dropped by a female player made me say "hm". IT may be nothing, but it may be something and it'll not be forgotten.

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RWarehall: I was on the fence whether to even use it the two days I had it. Not sure I wanted to use a mostly useless power allowing someone to track or watch me on it. Felt even if I tried to use it as a claim of some sort, there would be too much a level of distrust as the power itself sounds kinda scummy.

Remember for me to win, I had to kill everyone or be 1 to 1 with a townie. I doubted I could turn restrictor into second to last townie alive. And then there would be the question of why no one would be restricted after Day 3. I could only go with, I restricted him, but he was killed by scum only so many times, not to mention how scummy that would have made me look.

Figured I had a better shot at ignoring it and claiming Vigi as a fallback plan.
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adaliabooks: I'd like to point out I haven't discounted the option.
As you said in your other post it might make sense if there are two scum factions for one (or both) of them to have a cop.

Unfortunately, the way I see it, the more likely situation would be for yogs to be scum, and, having investigated an anti town, use that as a way to guarantee his safety (until the second scum team managed to take him out). But CSPVGs read says yogs is town. So unless their both scum, or CSPVG is insane / naive it's not possible. Unless we have another cop (please don't claim) I can't see flub giving us only an inaccurate cop...

Oh, and unvote JMich
I'm still not convinced, but at least your posting now and somewhat townishly.
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RWarehall: Unless you have two mobs and a serial killer, now that would be crazy. I just don't buy a scum faction cop just to try to find me.
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cristigale: I apologize taking so long to respond. In my attempt to read through the posts late at night, I fell asleep.

Holy cow, this and the remainder of the post makes my head spin. I see more clearly how under-prepared I was coming into this. It also intrigues me all the more.

I don’t know what to think about the new development…my gut reaction is that CSVGP’s claims seems fishy or ill-advised at best. Right now my reasoning is going in circles (which was probably the point). I’m going to get some lunch and come back and look at this afresh.

Thanks for answering my question. I wanted to verify that there was no way to utilize him without risk. RWarehall should be lynched tonight.

After re-reading this several times, I first thought “evil” was what caught your eye, but later wondered if it might be “godmother”. Both came from same source. I was thinking of the fairy godmother in Cinderella (primarily the Disney movie). The fairy godmother changes Cinderella and nearby animals into something else (technically that is role changing but it’s the best analogy I had). Cinderella’s fairy-godmother was good, she had Cinderella’s best interest at heart. I took role-killing to be the opposite of this. That’s why I added the word “evil”.


No one did. I was guessing what it meant. That’s why I asked in the first place, I did not know and could not find a reference to it.
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HijacK: For a power that some of the prize winner have indicated it may not be that game changing, I'm finding it interesting you defend it so much, even more so when the winner has behaved suspiciously, which may indicate a potential threat, more than a benefit.
A single shot ability used in the proper moment can be a powerful thing. It may sound a bit cocky, but I was instrumental in the town win in #23 with just this. In addition. In addition, the winners may indicate lots of stuff, which doesn't mean I have to take it at face value. At that particular moment the winners were the only solid information we had - of course I would protest against killing a confirmed power role without knowing more about it. Last game you tried to push for all but confirmed Doctor, to prove a theory. Now I see you are open to such sacrifices once more. I'm not sure if this is on purpose or you actually believe powers are expendable and removing them so easy is worth the potential information that might bring, but I'm not on board with such tactics and I don't like it.

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RWarehall: FWIW, I'd like to point out, that Yuen is not a Hispanic word/ name or a made-up word to sound like a Hispanic one. At least in RwareHall's case, Lactosia is made-up to sound like a Hispanic word (the actual Spanish one being lactosa), and Intoleramos is an actual Spanish word. Mentioning it as there was some talk about names and possible significance.
The other difference between their names is obvious, I think.
First thing that I saw. Looks too much out of flavor.

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adaliabooks: So while the name is not all Mexican, Tequila is. And the character referenced is a cop. Either it's a very clever addition by CSPVG, or it's true and reinforces his claim.
Now I don't buy it even more. Other names sound made up to match the flavor and somewhat the role. His name is movie character who is a cop and sounds Mexican (by the way I believe our setup sounds more like a Spanish soap opera, rather than a Mexican one)? Riiight.

Anyway, last game's early reveal of the ship model made some sort of sense (especially in hindsight). This time around I not so sure how good idea it was to make such a claim now. We'll have to see tomorrow, I guess.

@Yog, this may be a good time to consider sharing your actual name. EDIT: Now I saw you don't want to.