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amok: gOg is a underdog? I had the impression it was something like the 3d or 4th largest DD store now...
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timppu: Compared to Steam, every other digital PC store is an underdog by default. Some have already thrown in the towel and not even competing with Steam anymore, but getting the crumbs by selling mere Steam keys as cheaply as possible.

An analogy: Windows Phone OS may well be the third largest mobile OS at the moment (far surpassing Symbian, Tizen, Sailfish, BlackBerry OS, WebOS etc. etc .etc. etc.), but it is still an underdog especially compared to Android. So just because GOG.com may be more successful than e.g. Desura (RIP) or DotEmu, doesn't mean it can't be considered as an underdog for PC gaming digital stores.
goody!

We need to support the underdogs! Buy Origin games!

From now , everyone except one are underdogs. Good way to make a term meaningless.
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amok: From now , everyone except one are underdogs. Good way to make a term meaningless.
You did take Steam's highly dominant market position into account, right? You might have some point if Steam had merely, say, 40% of the market or so, and the next biggest store had 30%, and so on... But no, normally it seems to be that Steam has 95% of the digital PC gaming market, and rest of the stores fight for the remaining 5%.

Do you feel Microsoft is not an underdog as far as mobile OSes go, with their 2.6% market share? Remember, they are still far bigger there than lots of other smaller mobile OSes.

You seem to have some very odd definition for an "underdog". I googled for the term, and one explanation for it was "one that is at a disadvantage". You don't feel GOG.com is at an disadvantage compared to Steam, considering the market?
Post edited November 14, 2015 by timppu
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amok: From now , everyone except one are underdogs. Good way to make a term meaningless.
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timppu: You did take Steam's highly dominant market position into account, right? You might have some point if Steam had merely, say, 40% of the market or so, and the next biggest store had 30%, and so on... But no, normally it seems to be that Steam has 95% of the digital PC gaming market, and rest of the stores fight for the remaining 5%.

Do you feel Microsoft is not an underdog as far as mobile OSes go, with their 2.6% market share? Remember, they are still far bigger there than lots of other smaller mobile OSes.

You seem to have some very odd definition for an "underdog". I googled for the term, and one explanation for it was "one that is at a disadvantage". You don't feel GOG.com is at an disadvantage compared to Steam, considering the market?
It also means "the one you expect to loose".... so you don't really have much faith in gOg, do you?
Post edited November 14, 2015 by amok
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amok: It also means "the one you expect to loose".... so you don't really have much faith in gOg, do you?
I fail to see the point of your last statement.
I guess you are once again twisting words, making weird assumptions when your arguments are proven wrong (or, at least, very weak), using cheap sarcasm and uselessly pulling weight on semantics rather than seriously reply to timppu -the meaning of the posts of whom can be perfectly clear to anyone who at least tries to understand what he is saying.

Now I'll translate his posts for you: he is saying that (in his opinion, right or wrong that it might be) despite being GOG the second digital distribution store in order of success, its market share in the field is still so minuscule when compared to Steam (Valve owns around 90% of the total, and ALL the others share the rest) to make a certain kind of business practice (in this case, selling GOG keys elsewhere) unprofitable if not even consistently damaging. The reason are so immediately evident that I don't think it would be necessary to write them down, that would just insult any reader's intelligence. GOG is not Amazon, it cannot simply afford to lose profits to first undercut and then destroy the competition as Steam did.
Stop trying to cheaply divert water to your windmill and try to respond with real arguments, for once: if you really think timppu is wrong, then explain why. It is naturally just speculation, but how do you think GOG would manage to do it with its current resources? Why do you think it would be profitable? What do you think the short and long term effects will be? Write this, rather than you childish “nanananana, you claim to be a GOG faithful but in truth you are not”!

To the rest of GOG community: I apologize for this wall of bitterness, I had a bad day an yet another series of his absurd posts made me break the irritation limit.
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amok: It also means "the one you expect to loose".... so you don't really have much faith in gOg, do you?
That definition makes sense only for 1-vs-1 situations, e.g. boxing matches, or football matches. Generally speaking it is used for parties which will have an uphill battle against a dominant force (be it in a market, or a match, or whatever).

I find it interesting though you raised such a big argument over terminology.
Post edited November 14, 2015 by timppu
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andysheets1975: Cool story, bro.
I was going to write a response to OP, but... You already summed things up perfectly.
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amok: It also means "the one you expect to loose".... so you don't really have much faith in gOg, do you?
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Enebias: I fail to see the point of your last statement.
I guess you are once again twisting words, making weird assumptions when your arguments are proven wrong (or, at least, very weak), using cheap sarcasm and uselessly pulling weight on semantics rather than seriously reply to timppu -the meaning of the posts of whom can be perfectly clear to anyone who at least tries to understand what he is saying.

Now I'll translate his posts for you: he is saying that (in his opinion, right or wrong that it might be) despite being GOG the second digital distribution store in order of success, its market share in the field is still so minuscule when compared to Steam (Valve owns around 90% of the total, and ALL the others share the rest) to make a certain kind of business practice (in this case, selling GOG keys elsewhere) unprofitable if not even consistently damaging. The reason are so immediately evident that I don't think it would be necessary to write them down, that would just insult any reader's intelligence. GOG is not Amazon, it cannot simply afford to lose profits to first undercut and then destroy the competition as Steam did.
Stop trying to cheaply divert water to your windmill and try to respond with real arguments, for once: if you really think timppu is wrong, then explain why. It is naturally just speculation, but how do you think GOG would manage to do it with its current resources? Why do you think it would be profitable? What do you think the short and long term effects will be? Write this, rather than you childish “nanananana, you claim to be a GOG faithful but in truth you are not”!

To the rest of GOG community: I apologize for this wall of bitterness, I had a bad day an yet another series of his absurd posts made me break the irritation limit.
Tipmuu is wrong in the sense that gOg today is one of the largest DD stores who have gone from strengths to strengths. It is in itself close to becoming a behemoth, and when it comes to DRM free games it is now so large that it soon corners that market in the same sense Steam is cornering the general games market. I feel it is wrong to call something an "underdog" just because you are a smaller, underdogs are those that struggle. gOg is not struggeling, in fact they are doing rather well. But it does get the sympathy vote....
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amok: It is in itself close to becoming a behemoth
When does a non-Steam DD store become a "behemoth"`? When it reaches 5%, or 10%, of the PC game digital market? In this instance it seems to be enough for you that the store makes any profit.

It is odd that you now keep claiming "GOG is close to becoming a behemoth", whereas elsewhere you like to post cherry-picked developer post-mortem stories suggesting Steam single-handedly owns the PC market.

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amok: But it does get the sympathy vote....
I'm sure it doesn't get any vote from you. You never seem to have anything positive to say about GoG, and now it seems to irk you a lot that someone would call them an underdog compared to Steam, as you fear that gives them "sympathy". Why is it a problem for your like that some people like the GOG.com service?
Post edited November 14, 2015 by timppu
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amok: It is in itself close to becoming a behemoth
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timppu: When does a non-Steam DD store become a "behemoth"`? When it reaches 5%, or 10%, of the PC game digital market? In this instance it seems to be enough for you that the store makes any profit.

It is odd that you now keep claiming "GOG is close to becoming a behemoth", whereas elsewhere you like to post cherry-picked developer post-mortem stories suggesting Steam single-handedly owns the PC market.

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amok: But it does get the sympathy vote....
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timppu: I'm sure it doesn't get any vote from you. You never seem to have anything positive to say about GoG, and now it seems to irk you a lot that someone would call them an underdog compared to Steam, as you fear that gives them "sympathy". Why is it a problem for your like that some people like the GOG.com service?
I just like to have a critical approach to all things... which includes stores. Steam do not deserve a free ride, but neither does gOg.
'DRM-free' is the reason I'm here at all. It's all about DRM-free gaming.
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micktiegs_8: For a couple of games I own... I'm pissed off with GOG's handling of the matter.

One is missing its last fix from something like June this year. One is missing its DLC which adds a fair amount of content to the game (not talking Tropico). One is outdated by a few updates, however the developers say 'they thought it was updated on GOG' and have yet to add even another updated since then despite it receiving a complete engine overhaul a week ago. Another game which I'm sure you remember me whining about is the one that its DLC just is invisible without Galaxy installed.

This is where I'm annoyed with GOG. I always have the uncertain feeling over me that 'my game may not get updated or receive proper support (from GOG AND the developer). I shouldn't need to feel this way.

All I ask is for parity between the digital stores; is that too freakin' much to ask for??
Would you mind sharing which games you're referring to?
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JumpinJakF1ash: On a side note, i'm not impressed with GOG or the way the firm conduct themselves behind their public face of "we are the good guys" which certainly isn't true in the case of The Witcher 3 pre-orders, when GOG were charging customers in Russia/Ukraine and other nations £15 for pre-orders, but in the UK, customers were being charged £41.49. It's completely unacceptable.
Damn right! I want my right to pay in full back already. Ukraine almost did it, don't leave us off the board
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HypersomniacLive: Would you mind sharing which games you're referring to?
I do mind, but I will.
Pixel Piracy
Hand of Fate
Breach and Clear: Deadline
Dungeons 2
(respective to my comment)
No doubt I've got other games like this, but I really don't feel like going back and forth from Steam to check every single one. It's happened plenty ever since 'new' games were introduced here, which is quite some time.
Anyway, I'll let you know what happens at the end of the year :)
Also, I'd rather not talk about this crap anymore please.
edit: while I'm still around, add Armello because the developers flat out expressed reluctance towards their GOG game, and for the moment Space Rangers HD (10 days out). Oh and Starpoint Gemini 2 is missing its latest DLC, but considering it's DLC and hasn't been a huge amount of time it's forgivable.
Post edited November 15, 2015 by micktiegs_8