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LiefLayer: May I add that I find it really odd that people here on gog (a place where people buy games to avoid publishers' bad practices like DRM) are so against Stop Killing Games... It make no sense to me.
For me personally it is because the initiative appears to be ok with DRM (as long as the publishers are somehow "obliged" to keep the DRM working so that people can keep playing the game in the foreseeable future).

Also I generally dislike the idea of EU bureaucrats meddling with things they don't understand, and possibly making things just worse (e.g. many games specifically not being released in EU due to some stupid restrictions).

I am more of the "vote with your wallet"-type of guy, not the "give more power to idiot EU bureaucrats in Brussels". That is why I buy my games almost exclusively on GOG, with my wallet.

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LiefLayer: Do you people really want things to improve?
Yes, but unfortunately this initiative may just make things worse. Much worse. Worst of the worstestest!
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timppu: For me personally it is because the initiative appears to be ok with DRM (as long as the publishers are somehow "obliged" to keep the DRM working so that people can keep playing the game in the foreseeable future).

Also I generally dislike the idea of EU bureaucrats meddling with things they don't understand, and possibly making things just worse (e.g. many games specifically not being released in EU due to some stupid restrictions).

I am more of the "vote with your wallet"-type of guy, not the "give more power to idiot EU bureaucrats in Brussels". That is why I buy my games almost exclusively on GOG, with my wallet.

Yes, but unfortunately this initiative may just make things worse. Much worse. Worst of the worstestest!
I think people should have faith in EU. I really do. Watching US and Russia right now I think EU really is, with all its flaws, the best place on earth. I don't think the politician at Bruxelles are all " idiot bureaucrats", if you really think they are it just means we all are since EU is a democracy.
If a game does not release in the biggest market on the planet just because the EU put a law to protect customers it means it probably got always online anyway so there is no reason to even be sad about it.
And about "vote with your wallet" I still do it, but it usually does not work. The market never fully self-regulates, there always needs to be some political correction to direct the market so that it does not abuse regular people.
There are many examples but I will only give one: if a company is a monopolist or many companies agree to form a cartel (so for example one company or an agreement to sell all games that stop working without warning) I think it is important that the law intervenes to avoid abuses.
Vote with your wallet only works if like 90% are doing it, otherwise it is still important to do it but it does not change anything.
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BreOl72: Yes. And..?
You don't see me making Merkel jokes, for starters. Do the words RENT FREE ring any bells?
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timppu: I am more of the "vote with your wallet"-type of guy, not the "give more power to idiot EU bureaucrats in Brussels". That is why I buy my games almost exclusively on GOG, with my wallet.
Voting with one's wallet is very unlikely to work when the npc normies 'vote' with a much bigger wallet.
Post edited June 11, 2025 by Nevermourning
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Nevermourning: You don't see me making Merkel jokes, for starters. Do the words RENT FREE ring any bells?
Voting with one's wallet is very unlikely to work when the npc normies 'vote' with a much bigger wallet.
This is why I posit that one would have to defeat consumerism itself for SKG to work by the VWYW approach.
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BreOl72: Yes. And..?
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Nevermourning: You don't see me making Merkel jokes, for starters. Do the words RENT FREE ring any bells?
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timppu: I am more of the "vote with your wallet"-type of guy, not the "give more power to idiot EU bureaucrats in Brussels". That is why I buy my games almost exclusively on GOG, with my wallet.
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Nevermourning: Voting with one's wallet is very unlikely to work when the npc normies 'vote' with a much bigger wallet.
And if the majority want it, why should a minority decide they shall not?
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timppu: I am more of the "vote with your wallet"-type of guy, not the "give more power to idiot EU bureaucrats in Brussels". That is why I buy my games almost exclusively on GOG, with my wallet.
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Nevermourning: Voting with one's wallet is very unlikely to work when the npc normies 'vote' with a much bigger wallet.
Yeah that is why I never vote in parliament elections either, I have only one vote and the normies don't vote for the same candidate as me, ie. me. I never get elected due to the damn normies.

Anyway, there certainly are several solutions to your wallet-voting dilemma:

1. Steal the normies' wallets, and buy games for them from GOG.

2. Educate your friends and relatives about the DRM-free gospel, and if they resist, threaten them with ending your friendship and/or kinship.

3. Start developing and releasing lots of both extraordinarily good and bad games, and release only the good games on GOG, and the shit poor games on competing DRM-sites. Also make sure the poor games have 10x Denuvo and require running four different online account clients in order to even run.

Before you know it, everyone is flocking to GOG and buying games only from here! Total winnage!
Post edited June 11, 2025 by timppu
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BreOl72: Yes. And..?
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Nevermourning: You don't see me making Merkel jokes, for starters.

Do the words RENT FREE ring any bells?
Rent free, you said?
Merkel isn't around anymore.
For about three and a half years.
You gotta keep up, dude.

Apart from that...if you feel like making some Merkel jokes: don't let me keep you from making them.

Btw: so far, you haven't dispelled my original point.
Will there still come anything in that regard, or was that it?
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BreOl72: Yes. And..?
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Nevermourning: You don't see me making Merkel jokes, for starters. Do the words RENT FREE ring any bells?
I can't believe I almost missed another opportunity to say this:
Merkele perkele!

That needs an update though, I think nowadays it would be something like:
Merze perze!
Post edited June 11, 2025 by timppu
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amok: And if the majority want it, why should a minority decide they shall not?
The real tragedy is that many don't know or don't care what they truly want.
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BreOl72: Rent free, you said?
Merkel isn't around anymore.
For about three and a half years.
You gotta keep up, dude.
Twas obviously an example. Le point is that letting some boogeyman live in one's head to such a degree isn't always a good idea.
Post edited June 12, 2025 by Nevermourning
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amok: And if the majority want it, why should a minority decide they shall not?
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Nevermourning: The real tragedy is that many don't know or don't care what they truly want.
Because they don’t care about, or want, the same things you do?