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BrianSim: Wait a minute, I thought the name sounded familiar so I searched on the old two giveaways and sure enough:-

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(If links don't work then page 151 (GOG) and page 168 (non-GOG) if you have forum settings to view 50 posts per page).

So the 10 games he's received here is 10 more than he would have had on the old giveaways from which he was double banned...
So he was banned for good reason, and now that kinkleroy left, this person has the face to show up, take as many games as they can, and, not content enough, cones to this thread talking in the way that we saw.

Wow
It seems that "giving a new chance" sometimes is "giving too much" as some people does not know what a good will means. I think that the presence of these "old facts" should end the whole discussion.
I'm appalled at some peoples toxic mean behavior. Clearly responding to such will not do me any good.

But I do want to point out there is gross amounts of falseness in various attack posts, like massive amounts. But to dispute that falseness would be to feed toxic behavior, I don't think it would ever end.


regarding showing the list of games before one can can request
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Lexor: It's easy - they will be prepared "what to grab" from the first second the list appears.
No time to check, no time to think about for the rest of users.
All big cakes will be gone with a speed of light.

And to tell the exact date / time will make that situation even worse. It's not needed at all.
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Lexor: It's easy - they will be prepared "what to grab" from the first second the list appears.
People knowing what game they want is the point, the benefit.

" No time to check, no time to think about for the rest of users."
I apologize, I don't understand this much at all. Time to check? Think about for the rest? Huh?

All big cakes will be gone with a speed of light.
As others have pointed out, all the games generously given are good, and you can't request more games because you know what they will be so how long there will be still be good games "big cake" available, won't change.

People like different games. So it won't be everyone going after the same titles. And to the extent that there will be people going after the same titles, how is not releasing ahead of it going to change that?

It seems you missed one variation of my idea.

What if we showed what the games will be ahead of time for next release but the release dates were random within that month? Would that satisfy your concern about my idea?
Post edited October 09, 2022 by myconv
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myconv: Would that satisfy your concern about my idea?
Maybe taking note of you previous conduct regarding giveaways on GoG and learning from those consequences may satisfy more people, than trying to convince other to make adjustments to giveaways to increase your advantage ?.

Just a thought. They are not your games, you never paid for them, they are given out of the kindness of others. If you get a game you really want, great, if you have to settle for a somewhat lesser game, still great, as it cost you nothing in the first place. Just be thankfully we have a community that has such generous members that a community giveaway is actually possible...
Please no more toxic personal attacks, can we please keep discussion limited to the giveaway and it's rules.
Just received a weird PM from myconv calling this post "toxic". Sigh. It's an exact repeat of the last giveaway ban mentioned in Brian's post...
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AB2012: Just received a weird PM from myconv calling this post "toxic". Sigh. It's an exact repeat of the last giveaway ban mentioned in Brian's post...
Nothing wrong with your post. Just block him in chat. Many people ended up doing that last time. The moderators also locked two of his "I just want a discussion" threads as toma85 mentioned above.
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AB2012: Just received a weird PM from myconv calling this post "toxic". Sigh. It's an exact repeat of the last giveaway ban mentioned in Brian's post...
Same here. There is a pattern that they keep repeating.

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Lexor: It seems that "giving a new chance" sometimes is "giving too much" as some people does not know what a good will means. I think that the presence of these "old facts" should end the whole discussion.
Ditto.
Post edited October 09, 2022 by Carradice
In my opinion, everyone deserves another chance and since Lone_Scout said that myconv isn’t rude so far, I say the chance should be granted and not be banned again. On the other hand of course, myconv has to take into account that in this thread all we can do is make suggestions, and not be insistent at something. So if his suggestions aren’t agreed by others, then he too must understand this and accept things as they are.
Since feedback isn't actually welcome in this thread and since I got alot of nasty toxic attacks directed at me while denial of their toxicity. Specifically BS off-topic accusations.I think it's time I switched from trying to have a logical debate to trying to clear my name. I don't want to respond to trolls but if people can't see the toxicity and the BS, I guess I have no choice.

First, none of my suggestions are about me. So anything you say about me is automatically off topic. Most of these are the dictionary definition of a https://www.thoughtco.com/ad-hominem-fallacy-1689062

I'll just focus on AB2012s ad hominem attack post since Briansims all like "nothing wrong with this post" & noone else is speaking up. And for time saving since breaking down toxic posts and showing how BS they are is stressful as well as time consuming.

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First AB2012 "implied" (but pretty much out and said) that I was ungrateful and feeling entitled. No need to back up such nasty words, just accuse and by accusing it is accepted as fact.

Then AB falsely accused me of complaining of personal unfairness against me with the Giveaway. This never happened, which is probably why AB cites no examples of this. I said that the giveaway was unfair to people in general, giving select few extra favor with preferential pick because they have friends active on Gog and because of their own high levels of activity. Something that some seem to argue is a feature rather than a problem.

Then AB says I got 10 games. First, only 4 of those games are nondaggered (one of which goes on sale for a $1, but I'm still glad I got it) , in 7 months. the rest are daggered which were giveways by Gog and people collected the extra keys. I appreciate people collecting free for them keys but it's not the same as Docs generosity. And there is no real limited supply of these daggered games as most people already got those games for free at source and some have lots of keys. One or two were gog giveaway daggered keys that were about to expire and would have just been wasted if no one claimed them.

One title is a DLC I didn't realize was a DLC and didn't "receive" . A couple? others were games I already had and didn't realize, Thus those dagger codes were released for someone else to claim in the unlikely situation we were to run out of a daggered games keys. I apologize to LS for my carelessness in that.

Then AB falsely accuses me of claiming to have been left out. Which didn't happen, so my getting 4 games in 7 months is irrelevant.

Then AB says I was warned to be active in non-Gog threads by LS, which is true as well as irrelevant. Well the warning part was true even as it was none of AB's business. But I had been posting. I linked LS to posts I had made through the months leading up to then and LS recognizes that it is not always easy to see how active someones been. Of course all this was done in PM since it wasn't anyone elses business! which is why AB didn't know.

AB: If there's a game on the list I'm unsure about, rather than ask for the sake of asking I'll leave it there for someone else who wants it more than I do and will ask only for something I know I really want.
Of course this is just AB falsely accusing me of picking titles for the sake of it and not because I'm interested.

Well it might be a little true with the daggered games, I don't know what games I might like and as pointed out there is no supply issue with the daggered games which I believe all have eventual expiration dates even.

But all the nondaggered games I asked for were games I was sure I would like. Which is why there were months where I didn't ask for any non-daggered.

AB: Not knowing what to ask for is solved simply by browsing the site now and familiarising yourself with what you like
What a horribly stupid idea. I mean of course I look at titles sometimes and learn about new games, but Gog probably has many thousands of titles, each title I look at might take 15minutes to a half hour to examine reviews etc to determine if it's a game I'd really like. Sure, some titles I can see at a glance I'd not like but even if only a fraction of them take that long. and there is many thousands of titles...

That said, I would look at even titles I missed that someone else requested to learn about new games. But again, who has that kind of time and energy to look at every single game on Gog! Also good luck remembering all that! So there will always be hidden gems you never heard of before.

AB:
spirit of the Community Giveaway should be about far more than the ability to block other people from asking for what they want out of fear of missing out.
Is the "community spirit" that of false nasty ad hominem personal attacks where you accuse another person of trying to block others from getting a game or getting a title just because they are afraid of missing out? I would hope "the community" is better than that. But if people can't see how toxic such posts are, I wonder.
Post edited October 09, 2022 by myconv
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myconv: Since feedback isn't actually welcome in this thread and since I got alot of nasty toxic attacks directed at me while denial of their toxicity.

I'll just focus on AB2012s ad hominem attack post since (snip);
Look, I'll say this once - This post was not an "attack" at all. There are zero insults or anything of the kind. I simply pointed out in response to your claim that other active members here have some imaginary "advantage" over you that you've requested and received many more games than some of us who are "active in the community". You've had 5x more games than me over the same time period and this still "isn't enough" for you. You don't seem to like that being pointed out not because you're some "victim of toxic ad hominems", but rather because it makes your endless demands to have the whole giveaway rules changed just for you look extremely over-entitled.

You also trying to wave away other people's entirely valid observations that you were banned in the previous giveaways doesn't make those posts "hate" or "Personal attacks", you're just embarrassed about being called out about it. YOU are also the one hurling abuse at people here in including calling games you aren't interested in "leftovers" because you don't get to cherry-pick yourself a Skyrim / Cyberpunk 2077 grade game each month by blocking others out by "reserving" games you don't even want (what you were originally calling for). That's massively insulting towards the people donating games here.

It's up to Lone_Scout to decide what to do with you, but given your constant "doubling down" projection based posts, false victim complex and "anything I don't like to hear must be toxicity" (for which you got banned for twice over in previous giveaway iterations), plus sending weird PM's to at least two of us, I can see exactly where this is going to end up... Beyond that I'm simply not going to respond any more to your self-entitled trolling.
Post edited October 09, 2022 by AB2012
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myconv: I'll just focus on AB2012s ad hominem attack post since Briansims all like "nothing wrong with this post" & noone else is speaking up. And for time saving since breaking down toxic posts and showing how BS they are is stressful as well as time consuming.
Jesus, you just don't know when to stop do you? (Facepalm)... No-one's speaking up because they can see a perfect repeat of your prior trolling that got yourself banned last time. AB2012's claims are spot on. You ARE whinging that you are getting 'left out with left-overs'. And it's 100% relevant that you only started posting in non-giveaway threads here after you had the ability to ask for free games taken away, plus you've also been banned twice before for the same false claims of "personal attacks" and trolling others via PM that you're doing now. As for "familiarising yourself with games and add them to your wishlist may help you know better what to ask for 'is a horribly stupid idea'", what the hell do you think everyone else does with their wishlist, randomly add games they don't want?...

^ Just ban this troll already.
AB, I already details how your post indeed was nasty ad hominim attacks here https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_community_giveaway_tradition_discussion_and_poll/post280 I bet you haven't even fully read it.

AB:
I simply pointed out in response to your claim that other active members here have some imaginary "advantage" over you
You say this immediately after denying the toxicity I spent a good amount of time spelling out. This is a combination strawman and ad hominem.

If someone is more active and has access to the list ahead of time where others don't, they are much better positioned to have first pick. This isn't even a matter for dispute! Besides being obvious, others have said as much and said it's a good thing.

As I already said, this isn't about me personally, so what few games I've gotten are irrelevant. Also the issue is about who gets to know exactly what game available that they want most, and everyone else who's left to pick a title they are already familiar with that's left over from the favored pickers.. Since this isn't a numbers issue, your ad hominem is doubly irrelevant.

AB:
You've had 5x more games than me over the same time period ....
How can I have 5 times more than you but only 4 games? That math does not compute

Ab:...and this still "isn't enough" for you.
So you falsely irrelevantly baselessly accuse me of.

AB:
because it makes your endless demands to have the whole giveaway rules changed just for you
1. No demands from me.

2. No change of rules, just a small change in procedure. Nothing in the rules says anything about showing the game titles that will be offered ahead of time

3. Not "just for you", saying that is yet another example of you putting me down.

AB: You also trying to wave away other people's entirely valid observations that you...
I got a news flash for you, "discussion and poll" thread is not for or about me. So any "observations" or accusations against anyone are entirely irrelevant

AB:
YOU are also the one hurling abuse at people here in including calling games you aren't interested in "leftovers" because you don't get to cherry-pick yourself a Skyrim / Cyrberpunk 2077 grade game each month by blocking others out by "reserving" games you don't even want (what you were originally calling for)
See, entirely BS adhominem. Nasty extremely toxic, completely BS. Why are you so determined to attack me?

And you wonder why I would PM you to ask you to stop being toxic? Are you for real trolling me?
Post edited October 09, 2022 by myconv
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myconv: Since feedback isn't actually welcome in this thread and since I got alot of nasty toxic attacks directed at me while denial of their toxicity. Specifically BS off-topic accusations.I think it's time I switched from trying to have a logical debate to trying to clear my name. I don't want to respond to trolls but if people can't see the toxicity and the BS, I guess I have no choice.
Gee... who knows the damage this trouble maker myconv has already done to this community giveaway

-Members that wrongly felt indirectly referred
-Members directly accused with false basis. Their crime: Participate on the discussion
-Donors reading about left overs! Nothing better to foster donations!
-Members that will keep a greater safety distance to participate on this forum/community, just because

What a shitshow myconv! And it seems you haven't finished yet...
I think it's a reasonable request that certain individuals stop with personal toxic attacks against me.