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KasperHviid: This youtube comment is kinda sharp:
"Give Hollywood a revolutionary, philosophically deep, multi-layered anime with a ghost and they give you back the shell."

Another commenter mentioned that the original didn't use that stale cliche about a protagonist with amnesia exploring her past. Given that the original manga is from 1989, it says a LOT that the 2017 Hollywood version is way more cliche. Seriously, why are today's heroes always bawling about their stupid past? Be a hero, fight the damn baddies and STFU!

EDIT: Spelling
Seems to me that Hollywood is under the wrong impression that things will only matter to the public when they're personal for the characters onscreen. And this isn't really amnesiac protagonist, this is "Corp stole my life and made me a badass while at it", which amnesiac protagonist is an element of and, which we saw being done exactly the same a few years ago in the ill fated Syndicate reboot (which I also liked despite its flaws) and in both Robocops, original and remake.
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KasperHviid: This youtube comment is kinda sharp:
"Give Hollywood a revolutionary, philosophically deep, multi-layered anime with a ghost and they give you back the shell."
I was about to comment that this abomination of a live-action reboot is all shell, but that above sums it up. Read this review, and though having seen only the trailers I am sure they got it right:
[...] this pedestrian action movie looks nigh unbearable through the lens of the original series. Every bit of social commentary and science-fiction mystique that made the Japanese film and books so stunning has been wrung dry. Respect for the viewer goes into the garbage, replaced by an obnoxious, paint-by-numbers plot of good versus evil.
Please, for the love of god, as well as plot depth, subtle concepts and striking, handmade animation beauty, if you haven't, go see the original 1995 anime (and not the revised sepia-washed 2.0 hack from 2008 either).
Post edited April 02, 2017 by chevkoch
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DeMignon: Alas, that's the real shame. The movie would have deserved better, but after seeing the terrible cast pick, I was pretty sure it'll fail. A shame, really.
But did it? Is it commercially successful? Because, as long as it makes them money, they'll bring on the sequels, regardless of what the critics have to say about the film's quality. Just look at the Resident Evil or Transformers film series...
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SamMagel: You think Hollywood would stop here ?

Just look at the trailer of Deathnote.

They messed up every single main character from the manga.

You can count on Hollywood to destroy every Japanese masterpiece ever released including the Dragonball Z film.
Wut? But there is already a live action Deathnote film ( or two? ) from Japan, as far as I know. They seem to be good, too. Are they working on another of those crappy US "remakes"?
Post edited April 02, 2017 by CharlesGrey
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Breja: Transformers 5, to remind me that yes, things can indeed get even worse :P

I don't even remember what else there was. No Justice League, no Kng Arthur, not even the terrible looking Tom Cruise Mummy thing.
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tinyE: I just saw the Mummy one.
I have a feeling your review of that is going to make your take on GITS look flattering.
I think Mummy at least has a chance of being bad in an entertaining way. The worst thing about GitS was that it wasn't even fun in that way. It's way to boring, bland and morose.

Not to mention you need someone to help you make fun of a movie, and the friend I was watching it with, a big fan of the anime, walked out pretty much traumatised :D We've seen some really bad stuff together, and I've never seen him this shellshocked. I'm pretty sure the poor guy is having vietnam-like flashbacks right now. At least neither me nor any of my friends expect or require something like the Mummy to be anything but dumb, riff-the-movie-live fun. Of course it might even fail at that :P

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CharlesGrey: But did it? Is it commercially successful? Because, as long as it makes them money, they'll bring on the sequels, regardless of what the critics have to say about the film's quality. Just look at the Resident Evil or Transformers film series...
Well, it's pretty much doomed to be a bomb at the US box office, opening at 19 million for the weekend. Worldwide box office might save it from being a loss for the studio, but it doesn't look like it's going to be enough to warrant sequels. It wasn't for Terminator Genisys or Warcraft (very much to my regrett in that last case).
Post edited April 02, 2017 by Breja
Think I'll stick with blade runner when dealing with a story about artificial humans, etc.
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"This is surprising, Hollywood has such a long history of producing thought provoking, philosophical reboots with original plots. I'm so surprised they dropped the ball on this one."
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timppu: I didn't like Lucy that much either. Now, I am not a brain surgeon or anything, but I just didn't find it very believable that taking some drug that lets you use more capacity of your brains gives you superhuman powers that defy the laws of physics and shit.
I thought that was an interesting concept to explore, as long as you keep an open mind about it. If anything, I was bothered by the lack of a clear focus. The film starts out as a ( supernatural ) revenge flick, then later drifts off into more esoteric and abstract themes. Personally I would have been fine without the latter. Or better yet, they could have turned it into a TV series instead, since the themes and concepts are too complex too fully explore them in the film. In the end it felt rushed and not entirely satisfying. But I think it's still worth watching, overall.
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Think I'll stick with blade runner when dealing with a story about artificial humans, etc.
Which is another reboot we need to worry about.

And yes I know, technically it is a sequel, but 40 years later I say bullshit, it's a reboot! :P
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Think I'll stick with blade runner when dealing with a story about artificial humans, etc.
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tinyE: Which is another reboot we need to worry about.

And yes I know, technically it is a sequel, but 40 years later I say bullshit, it's a reboot! :P
I'd rather have sequels, even if bad any day over reboots/remakes.
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CharlesGrey: I thought that was an interesting concept to explore, as long as you keep an open mind about it.
I recalled another movie about "using more capacity of your brain", Limitless.

It basically had the same idea, someone uses a drug that enhances their mental capabilities. The effects were much more believable in Limitless, e.g. you get super-memory remembering anything from the past, you can make very complicated conclusions with all the information you have etc.

None of this "you can defy the laws of physics and make materia out of nowhere because of a drug"-nonsense. Plus, Limitless actually got a TV-series after the movie. :)
Post edited April 03, 2017 by timppu
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ooops

I'm stooopid. :D
Post edited April 03, 2017 by tinyE
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CharlesGrey: I thought that was an interesting concept to explore, as long as you keep an open mind about it.
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timppu: I recalled another movie about "using more capacity of your brain", Limitless.

It basically had the same idea, someone uses a drug that enhances their mental capabilities. The effects were much more believable in Limitless, e.g. you get super-memory remembering anything from the past, you can make very complicated conclusions with all the information you have etc.

None of this "you can defy the laws of physics and make materia out of nowhere because of a drug"-nonsense. Plus, Limitless actually got a TV-series after the movie. :)
Hah, turns out I already have the film on DVD, just haven't watched it yet. I might check out the series too, if I like the film.

As for Lucy, I think the film was best during the first few scenes after she "awakens", when she is essentially just a more efficient version of her old self, with increased strength, perception, reactions etc.

I agree that some of the later scenes are over the top, but it's not so much the lack of logic which bothered me. ( For all I know, just about anything is possible. If something seems like magic or impossible to us, it just means we haven't figured out how it works yet. ) It's more that in the beginning Lucy is essentially a biological machine, cold and efficient, but in some later scenes the director and FX folks tried too hard to make things look "cool" and impressive, rather than efficient, which for better or worse happens to most big entertainment movies.
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tinyE: ACTUALLY, Scarlett herself was in another movie about that, "LUCY".

It was so bad it defied logic. :P
Well yes, that is what we've just been talking about. Go have a cup of coffee. :P
Post edited April 03, 2017 by CharlesGrey
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The fictive drugs I'm most into is the soy sauce from John Dies at the End
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KasperHviid: The fictive drugs I'm most into is the soy sauce from John Dies at the End
Great film, great director. :)
The '95 Ghost in the Shell is my favorite anime. I'd never watch this trash.

EVERYONE, stop going to these remakes! You're validating hollywood's perpetuation of remaking good things and destroying them. JUST STOP GOING.