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misteryo: the creation of whites-only states as a defense against "white genocide." This is a racist agenda. This is a white supremacist agenda.
That makes no sense, "supremacism" implies that one ethnic group permanently rules and oppresses another disenfranchised group, like in the American South during the Jim Crow era. Initialpresence's views would be more accurately described as "white separatist". That doesn't necessarily make his views harmless - people like him rarely explain how they hope to achieve the ethnic separation they're hoping for (would such a thing be even possible without massive bloodshed, ethnic cleansing and maybe even genocidal violence?), so one can legitimately wonder how far he would go in making a "whites only" state a reality. But "white supremacy" is kind of a misnomer.
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PaterAlf: Also GOG will sell Ancestors Legacy (from the developers of Hatred).
You sure about that? :P

At the very least gog are adamant about leaving that Ancestors Legacy store page up, even though it serves no purpose other than reminding everyone about what a humiliating, colossal fuck-up the "release" (or rather lack thereof) was. I have shilled for Hatred in the past (I thought it was impressive that the devs kept their Desura build up-to-date even as the site went tits up), but as far as Ancestors Legacy is concerned, gog should just go ahead and pull the plug. I have seriously started to wonder whether Destructive Creations deliberately botched the release of their gog version to get back at gog for refusing Hatred.
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morolf: That makes no sense, "supremacism" implies that one ethnic group permanently rules and oppresses another disenfranchised group, like in the American South during the Jim Crow era. Initialpresence's views would be more accurately described as "white separatist". That doesn't necessarily make his views harmless - people like him rarely explain how they hope to achieve the ethnic separation they're hoping for (would such a thing be even possible without massive bloodshed, ethnic cleansing and maybe even genocidal violence?), so one can legitimately wonder how far he would go in making a "whites only" state a reality. But "white supremacy" is kind of a misnomer.
But what misteryo seems to be saying is that a common motivation for such white separatist views is white supremacist views.
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MartiusR: Now, about GOG - GOG did not released Hatred game, not because it was full of violence. Reason was that some "journalist" has found out that one of the game creators was accused of "contacts" with "unliked" by liberal media organisations (organisation is functioning 100% legal) and wearing a t-shirt glorifying one of the polish partisan groups fighting with both Germans and soviet troops, which was considered as "scandalous", only because some uneducated journalists have called this group antisemitic.
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PaterAlf: Or maybe they just didn't release Hatred, because GOG is a curated store and the game was bad, boring and full of bugs. Just a thought.
Apparently that wasn't it:
"Destructive went into slightly more detail in a Facebook reply regarding GOG's decision, saying that the service expressed interest in distributing the game and "even tested it, and said that the game is good, but 'we can't.' That's the whole story." "
https://www.facebook.com/destructivecreationsteam/posts/464565250377471?comment_id=464570107043652&offset=0&total_comments=137&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D

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Post edited August 28, 2018 by Pheace
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Pheace: Apparently that wasn't it:
"Destructive went into slightly more detail in a Facebook reply regarding GOG's decision, saying that the service expressed interest in distributing the game and "even tested it, and said that the game is good, but 'we can't.' That's the whole story." "
https://www.facebook.com/destructivecreationsteam/posts/464565250377471?comment_id=464570107043652&offset=0&total_comments=137&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D

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I wouldn't trust that quote. At that time the developers tried to sell their game as one of the most provoking, offensive and scandalous game ever. Claiming that a store won't sell it because of political reasons could have been just another marketing stunt.

And somehow I doubt that GOG played that buggy mess and said "the game is good".
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misteryo: snip
I understand your fear and I understand your anger towards someone expressing opinions such as I am. Every day, we are bombarded with propaganda in the mainstream media telling us "nationalism leads to the gas chamber", "whites should be ashamed of their history" and so on. And yes it is true many platforms would ban me for daring to bring up the realities we all face today, what does that say about the world we live? If you want to know who your oppressor is just look for who can rarely, if ever be criticised, look for what can not be questioned or debated. I won't reply to all the misapprehensions expressed by the post I am replying to. People more eloquent than myself are doing that every day.

I'm not going to post links right now because last time I did, the thread I was posting on was shut down. I shall however encourage people to do their own research and again mention Red Ice - I am in no way affiliated with them and I don't know the people personally. They are far more courageous than myself and millions of others who share their sentiments and much of their content is no more than common sense. I suggest you take a look at their website redice dot tv or their Youtube channel - search "Red Ice". The couple who run it, Lana Locktef and Henrick Palmgren along with a few other people produce high quality content on a shoestring budget and are simply trying to get an important message out there, they cover a huge range of topics and have reached their current world view, like myself, only after years of questioning and observation. Like so many of us, they have been red-pilled by life. You will not find anything nasty like swastikas or other such nonsense emblazoned across their site. Just common sense debate and questioning of the status quo. It will also make you realise you are not alone, far from it.

As far as this thread serving as a platform for myself, I have a limited time I spend on this site. I was inspired to start this thread because other threads were getting shut down for getting derailed but it seems to happen when things take a turn to the political. Let it serve as a platform for all who wish to engage in civil political debate here on the Gog forums, whatever their beliefs and opinions and allow the rest of the forum to get on with discussing gaming and other matters. Again, whatever your opinions are, I would encourage everyone to stay civil and don't let others provoke you.
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morolf: That makes no sense, "supremacism" implies that one ethnic group permanently rules and oppresses another disenfranchised group, like in the American South during the Jim Crow era. Initialpresence's views would be more accurately described as "white separatist". That doesn't necessarily make his views harmless - people like him rarely explain how they hope to achieve the ethnic separation they're hoping for (would such a thing be even possible without massive bloodshed, ethnic cleansing and maybe even genocidal violence?), so one can legitimately wonder how far he would go in making a "whites only" state a reality. But "white supremacy" is kind of a misnomer.
If you are looking for a more detailed, perhaps more intellectual approach I suggest you search "Greg Johnson, counter-currents, white nationalist manifesto" I know. It sounds scary. But it's not. Believe me.
Post edited August 28, 2018 by initialpresence
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initialpresence: If you are looking for a more detailed, perhaps more intellectual approach I suggest you search "Mein Kampf" and "The Turner Diaries".
FTFY :D
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initialpresence: If you are looking for a more detailed, perhaps more intellectual approach I suggest you search "Mein Kampf" and "The Turner Diaries".
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tinyE: FTFY :D
Hilarious.
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misteryo: snip
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initialpresence: I understand your fear and I understand your anger towards someone expressing opinions such as I am. Every day, we are bombarded with propaganda in the mainstream media telling us "nationalism leads to the gas chamber", "whites should be ashamed of their history" and so on. And yes it is true many platforms would ban me for daring to bring up the realities we all face today, what does that say about the world we live? If you want to know who your oppressor is just look for who can rarely, if ever be criticised, look for what can not be questioned or debated. I won't reply to all the misapprehensions expressed by the post I am replying to. People more eloquent than myself are doing that every day.

I'm not going to post links right now because last time I did, the thread I was posting on was shut down. I shall however encourage people to do their own research and again mention Red Ice - I am in no way affiliated with them and I don't know the people personally. They are far more courageous than myself and millions of others who share their sentiments and much of their content is no more than common sense. I suggest you take a look at their website redice dot tv or their Youtube channel - search "Red Ice". The couple who run it, Lana Locktef and Henrick Palmgren along with a few other people produce high quality content on a shoestring budget and are simply trying to get an important message out there, they cover a huge range of topics and have reached their current world view, like myself, only after years of questioning and observation. Like so many of us, they have been red-pilled by life. You will not find anything nasty like swastikas or other such nonsense emblazoned across their site. Just common sense debate and questioning of the status quo. It will also make you realise you are not alone, far from it.

As far as this thread serving as a platform for myself, I have a limited time I spend on this site. I was inspired to start this thread because other threads were getting shut down for getting derailed but it seems to happen when things take a turn to the political. Let it serve as a platform for all who wish to engage in civil political debate here on the Gog forums, whatever their beliefs and opinions and allow the rest of the forum to get on with discussing gaming and other matters. Again, whatever your opinions are, I would encourage everyone to stay civil and don't let others provoke you.
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morolf: That makes no sense, "supremacism" implies that one ethnic group permanently rules and oppresses another disenfranchised group, like in the American South during the Jim Crow era. Initialpresence's views would be more accurately described as "white separatist". That doesn't necessarily make his views harmless - people like him rarely explain how they hope to achieve the ethnic separation they're hoping for (would such a thing be even possible without massive bloodshed, ethnic cleansing and maybe even genocidal violence?), so one can legitimately wonder how far he would go in making a "whites only" state a reality. But "white supremacy" is kind of a misnomer.
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initialpresence: If you are looking for a more detailed, perhaps more intellectual approach I suggest you search "Greg Johnson, counter-currents, white nationalist manifesto" I know. It sounds scary. But it's not. Believe me.
You can post under a different name, but the performance is still the same. Peddle your bullshit sites to try to legitimise the hate. Claim "opinions" are being suppressed / stifled / ignored, while using those "opinions" to push inference and to try to legitimise your racism.

I would quote (well paraphrase) an old wise sage on this site - your welcome to your racist opinion, but don't ever think we'll view you and your opinion as anything but fucked up. You have the problem, not society.

Linko - I guess that counts as a personal attack, mea culpa.
Post edited August 28, 2018 by wpegg
Wait a minute, if we do decide to abolish multiculturalism, who get's America?

The Native Americans had it first; seems only fair they get dibs.

Pack up your shit IP; you're going back to Europe.
Post edited August 29, 2018 by tinyE
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tinyE: Wait a minute, if we do decide to abolish multiculturalism, who get's America?

The Native Americans had it first; seems only fair they get dibs.
The US will be annexed by Mexico.
Mexicans will return to their ancestral Aztec religion and build large pyramids everywhere in the former US. White Americans will have their hearts ripped out by priests of Quetzalcoatl, for the amusement of European and Chinese tourists.
Post edited August 29, 2018 by morolf
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initialpresence: a good idea to start a thread where discussions of a political nature can go on.
LMAO!
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tinyE: Wait a minute, if we do decide to abolish multiculturalism, who get's America?

The Native Americans had it first; seems only fair they get dibs.
Well, now you know where push for multiculturalism is coming from. ;)
Post edited August 29, 2018 by LootHunter
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wpegg: You can post under a different name, but the performance is still the same. Peddle your bullshit sites to try to legitimise the hate. Claim "opinions" are being suppressed / stifled / ignored, while using those "opinions" to push inference and to try to legitimise your racism.

I would quote (well paraphrase) an old wise sage on this site - your welcome to your racist opinion, but don't ever think we'll view you and your opinion as anything but fucked up. You have the problem, not society.
Why are you so nitpicking on this user (initialpresence)? You can share your opinion about rasism and other stuff, don't need to agree with other user, but making your personal, purely subjective view some "objective" criterium? People who are not sharing your views (such as leftists, subjective liberals, take whatever you want) surely wouldn't agree with you (or wouldn't agree entirely).

And I'm telling it in good faith, instead of using "ideological club" to smash someone you don't agree (and trying to depreciate someone by giving him discreditable label), refer to his/her argument and try to show why it's invalid.

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PaterAlf: I wouldn't trust that quote. At that time the developers tried to sell their game as one of the most provoking, offensive and scandalous game ever. Claiming that a store won't sell it because of political reasons could have been just another marketing stunt.

And somehow I doubt that GOG played that buggy mess and said "the game is good".
I've also quoted it a bit earlier, but in other article (a couple of posts higher :P)

Anyway - I'm afraid that at this point discussion is "stopped". I admit that I don't like discussions where one side is flooded with questioning everything he's providing, but other side can simply in the end deny provided arguments as "not convincing". But it's your choice, and I'm fine with finishing this aspect on this part. Just some good word at the end - I appreciate that you at least tried to read what other one has written. Instead of Linko's approach, who didn't even read what I've written but immediately jumped into weird and unjustified conclusing that I'm trying to do "strange swipe".
Post edited August 29, 2018 by MartiusR
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misteryo: the creation of whites-only states as a defense against "white genocide." This is a racist agenda. This is a white supremacist agenda.
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morolf: That makes no sense, "supremacism" implies that one ethnic group permanently rules and oppresses another disenfranchised group, like in the American South during the Jim Crow era. Initialpresence's views would be more accurately described as "white separatist". That doesn't necessarily make his views harmless - people like him rarely explain how they hope to achieve the ethnic separation they're hoping for (would such a thing be even possible without massive bloodshed, ethnic cleansing and maybe even genocidal violence?), so one can legitimately wonder how far he would go in making a "whites only" state a reality. But "white supremacy" is kind of a misnomer.
no, you are not correct here. Supremacist is the belief the one race / belief / class of people is superior to other - i.e. not equal (that's where the name is from) - that's all. Therefor it follows that all separatist moves are inherently supremacist, as if they where equal there would be no need for the segregation. you only need to keep things "clean" if you think something else "pollutes" it.

edit: Black Panther Party, for example, is often classified as a supremacist group
Post edited August 29, 2018 by amok
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amok: Supremacist is the belief the one race / belief / class of people is superior to other - i.e. not equal (that's where the name is from) - that's all. Therefor it follows that all separatist moves are inherently supremacist, as if they where equal there would be no need for the segregation. you only need to keep things "clean" if you think something else "pollutes" it.
Yeah, yeah. Separate bathrooms for men and women are a product of sexism and patriarchy. I've heard Anita Sarkeesian enough.
Post edited August 29, 2018 by LootHunter