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Klumpen0815: Wine is not an emulator.
Why do Linux fanboys get so upset when the word Wine and Emulator are used? If Wine was an emulator it might actually work better :O
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Rabcor: That is bullshit, that is so much bullshit that I will not touch GoG until this policy changes, no refunds for people who aren't using your chosen distributions? Give me a fucking break!

I don't mind that you can only support the select few distributions that you choose (You really should add SteamOS to this list once it is officially released btw, that's where most Linux gamers are going to be and you know it, even if Steam is sort of a rival to you, SteamOS does not need to be)

But to cut refunds to anyone who isn't using it? That is just disgraceful, that is just fucking nasty, and shows a lack of understanding for the Linux community where everyone just uses the distribution they want to use, most others just say "We don't officially support anything else" meaning they cannot provide troubleshooting, but you guys? You took it an entirely different level, programs that dictate what distributions you are allowed to use are nothing but fucking toxic, and like I said, I am not touching this shit until something is done about that policy.
I know this is an old post but I have to respond to it.

1. if gog opted to never support Linux they wouldn't have to deal with such amazing feedback as this

2. one of the biggest problems when it comes to developing for Linux is that there are no grantee. You see when you sell an advertised product you have to grantee it does what it says it's going to do otherwise you'll be in trouble with just about every national and international triad law there is. Open source software doesn't have to conform to this. In other words while the staff at gog would more then likely be happy to refund something that wasn't working they are only legally obligated to with it with Mint and Ubuntu for those are platforms advertised to be working with gog games.

3. finally it's 2018 and when you posted this you said that SteamOS was the future. Well, that didn't work out to well did it? :P Another failed attempt by the Linux world to do anything of note.
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Magmarock: 1. if gog opted to never support Linux they wouldn't have to deal with such amazing feedback as this
Stop trolling in this thread. Your rants about how you don't like Linux (and especially how you want GOG to stop supporting it) aren't interesting to anyone.
Post edited February 02, 2018 by shmerl
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Magmarock:
As if "Witcher 3 for Linux" thread was not enoough for you…
Sorry, but I must ask, is there any chance you are related with "Meraco" from Steam forums?
Post edited February 02, 2018 by Alm888
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Magmarock:
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Alm888: As if "Witcher 3 for Linux" thread was not enoough for you…
Sorry, but I must ask, is there any chance you are related with "Meraco" from Steam forums?
Who? Not sure who that is but I'm gonna go look him up.
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Magmarock: 1. if gog opted to never support Linux they wouldn't have to deal with such amazing feedback as this
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shmerl: Stop trolling in this thread. Your rants about how you don't like Linux (and especially how you want GOG to stop supporting it) aren't interesting to anyone.
This very response begs the differ and I'm not trolling. I am being 100 sincere. With it's lack of backwards compatibly and frequent deprecation not only to I not like Linux, but in it's current state I see it as a threat to the games industry. If developers actually start taking this thing seriously it reduce the quality of games made for the PC is in the same way games are dumb down for the consoles but worse. Furthermore if you have a problem with my opinion you can use the ignore feature. If you think I'm trolling then take it up with staff. Bossing around other uses is against the rules too you know.
Post edited February 02, 2018 by Magmarock
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Alm888: As if "Witcher 3 for Linux" thread was not enoough for you…
Trolls are always hungry.
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Magmarock:
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Alm888: As if "Witcher 3 for Linux" thread was not enoough for you…
Sorry, but I must ask, is there any chance you are related with "Meraco" from Steam forums?
Okay I looked him up, thanks for bringing that to my attention. If I get a response from him I'll show him some of the threads here as well. Don't think this is what you intended but thank you.
@Alm888: it's clear now it's the case of "don't waste your time" here. Some come just to troll no matter what you are going to say to them. So let's get back on topic of Linux support please.
Post edited February 02, 2018 by shmerl
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Alm888: As if "Witcher 3 for Linux" thread was not enoough for you…
Sorry, but I must ask, is there any chance you are related with "Meraco" from Steam forums?
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Magmarock: Who? Not sure who that is but I'm gonna go look him up.
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shmerl: Stop trolling in this thread. Your rants about how you don't like Linux (and especially how you want GOG to stop supporting it) aren't interesting to anyone.
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Magmarock: This very response begs the differ and I'm not trolling. I am being 100 sincere. With it's lack of backwards compatibly and frequent deprecation not only to I not like Linux, but in it's current state I see it as a threat to the games industry. If developers actually start taking this thing seriously it reduce the quality of games made for the PC is in the same way games are dumb down for the consoles but worse. Furthermore if you have a problem with my opinion you can use the ignore feature. If you think I'm trolling then take it up with staff. Bossing around other uses is against the rules too you know.
Apparently you didn't study Linux hard enough. I don't claim to be an expert but it has more backward compatibility than you think. A few games come to mind such as the old Unreal games (up to UT 2k4) and Neverwinter Nights are still working fine on today's distros and here I'm talking about ports done at least 15 years ago and to a lesser degree also a free game called "Head over Heels" which has a Linux port from 2003 which also runs.

I've read a couple of your posts on other the threads, more precisely the dependancy discussion, your criticism is rather weightless since it is a problem between chair and keyboard. If after 5 years of studying Linux thoroughly you still didn't get it that different distros come with different libraries out of the box then I have to say you didn't learn much.

Your trolling is rather laughable to me, and you keep showing how ignorant you really are :-)
It is certainly true that many games have a problem communicating which dependencies they lack when they refuse to start BUT this is not a problem only in Linux but on Windows as well. There should be guidelines available.
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Themken: It is certainly true that many games have a problem communicating which dependencies they lack when they refuse to start BUT this is not a problem only in Linux but on Windows as well. There should be guidelines available.
Normally GOG are trying to put that in system requirements. I don't know if they come up with the list through their own testing, or it's provided by developers. May be both?
Post edited February 02, 2018 by shmerl
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Themken: It is certainly true that many games have a problem communicating which dependencies they lack when they refuse to start BUT this is not a problem only in Linux but on Windows as well. There should be guidelines available.
I'd say it's most prevalent in Linux. Most games on Wnidows come with what they need but not all. I'd recommend downloading and keep a backup of this http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/visual_c_runtime_installer.html

That is a CV++ all in one installer. It will take care of most dll problems you might have. If you install this along with dot net 3.5 and 4.7 (don't forget direct X) you should be able to run just about every game released since the late 90s without any problems. The best thing about this is that it's interchangeable and it doesn't matter what version of Windows you're running.
Post edited February 03, 2018 by Magmarock
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Magmarock: Who? Not sure who that is but I'm gonna go look him up.

This very response begs the differ and I'm not trolling. I am being 100 sincere. With it's lack of backwards compatibly and frequent deprecation not only to I not like Linux, but in it's current state I see it as a threat to the games industry. If developers actually start taking this thing seriously it reduce the quality of games made for the PC is in the same way games are dumb down for the consoles but worse. Furthermore if you have a problem with my opinion you can use the ignore feature. If you think I'm trolling then take it up with staff. Bossing around other uses is against the rules too you know.
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Ganni1987: Apparently you didn't study Linux hard enough. I don't claim to be an expert but it has more backward compatibility than you think. A few games come to mind such as the old Unreal games (up to UT 2k4) and Neverwinter Nights are still working fine on today's distros and here I'm talking about ports done at least 15 years ago and to a lesser degree also a free game called "Head over Heels" which has a Linux port from 2003 which also runs.

I've read a couple of your posts on other the threads, more precisely the dependancy discussion, your criticism is rather weightless since it is a problem between chair and keyboard. If after 5 years of studying Linux thoroughly you still didn't get it that different distros come with different libraries out of the box then I have to say you didn't learn much.

Your trolling is rather laughable to me, and you keep showing how ignorant you really are :-)
Today trolling is just a word people use when you disagree with them and especially after you've mode a few good points. You've said I'm wrong but what do you base that on? You've given no examples links or anything really to backup your argument. So I'll do it for you.


I've criticised the Linux community many times because lets be real here. No one uses Linux because the want to. They do it because they hate Windows and Linux distro are all they have. With a little hard work the Linux Kernel could be good but this is the Linux community we're talking about and their obsession with features and systems that do not matter are what put them in this position.

You mentioned Unreal Torment. Luckily, this game has native support for opengl but you'll still need Windows dll files for it to work. So you'll need to use Wine or something. That being said, there was someone who wrote a guide on how to get it working natively on Linux without the need layers or emulators. But then they removed it out of spite. Oh wait, it was you https://www.gog.com/forum/unreal_series/unreal_tournament_99_goty_easy_setup_for_linux/page1

Yeah, I've read some of your threads too. What a create community this is. No spite or bitterness at all.


Real talk this is partly why I'm doing this. I really was quite disgusted by this attitude. I've submitted fixes and scripts for games on this site as well and the idea of removing just one of them for a reason such as that blows my mind. Why are you even here? I got the implication that you were going to leave after that feasco.
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Magmarock: Today trolling is just a word people use when you disagree with them and especially after you've mode a few good points. You've said I'm wrong but what do you base that on? You've given no examples links or anything really to backup your argument. So I'll do it for you.
Making blanket statements like the one below doesn't help people's impressions of you.

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Magmarock: I've criticised the Linux community many times because lets be real here. No one uses Linux because the want to. They do it because they hate Windows and Linux distro are all they have.
What does that even mean? It's like saying that nobody drives because they want to. They do it because they hate walking and driving is all they have. What else is there? Flying like superman?

Does my Linux desktop annoy me? Occasionally. Did it used to be a major pain back in 2004 when I got fed up with Windows XP and quit gaming cold-turkey to get away from it? Yes. On the whole, would I say that I "like it" in its current state? Yes!

To make the statement "No one uses Linux because the want to" broad enough to apply to me, you'd have to set such a high bar for "liking it" that your statement becomes meaningless.

Sure, vsync doesn't work on my triple-head nVidia desktop and I had to lock the resolution to keep fullscreening games from scrambling up my window layout by turning off the secondary monitors, but I'd take that any day over the equivalent nitpicks that Windows users just learn to live with. (Let's ignore the junk Microsoft has done recently and be as kind to them as possible... Last I checked, scroll wheel events on Windows still got sent to the active window, rather than getting sent to the window under the cursor like button presses do.)

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Magmarock: With a little hard work the Linux Kernel could be good but this is the Linux community we're talking about and their obsession with features and systems that do not matter are what put them in this position.
How is the kernel not already "good"? Thanks to the fact that most Linux development comes from people paid to work on code for servers, Android phones, and embedded devices, the Linux kernel is something Microsoft has had to rush to play catch-up with in those areas and still hasn't managed to compete with.

It's the desktop and components specific to it that still need work.

Speaking of which, Flatpak (like Android APKs but for desktop Linux) solves your dependency complaints so well that pirates are using it to bundle up Windows games and Wine into "just torrent and double-click" application bundles.)

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Magmarock: You mentioned Unreal Torment. Luckily, this game has native support for opengl but you'll still need Windows dll files for it to work. So you'll need to use Wine or something.

That being said, there was someone who wrote a guide on how to get it working natively on Linux without the need layers or emulators. But then they removed it out of spite. Oh wait, it was you https://www.gog.com/forum/unreal_series/unreal_tournament_99_goty_easy_setup_for_linux/page1
I'm sure someone, somewhere, has spitefully pulled their automated install script for getting a Win9x-era game to run on Windows XP by automatically applying patches, editing the config file, and setting Windows compatibility mode switches... and that's not even considering whether the post-XP switch to 64-bit permanently killed the ability to run them without emulation. Win9x games weren't above relying on existing 16-bit code to make their ship dates.

Also, even back when it was brand new, the Linux port of UT99 would crash if you tried to use the ChaosUT mod, so I can see why GOG might not try too hard to get the rights necessary to redistribute it. After all, that mod is such a thing that I first encountered it on the second disc of my Game of the Year Edition version of UT99.
Post edited February 03, 2018 by ssokolow
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ssokolow: Making blanket statements like the one below doesn't help people's impressions of you.
Did you mean the one above or below. Either way you’re right I really should improvement my augments better. It’s always tempting to reply to blanket statements with more blanket statements.

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ssokolow: What does that even mean?

Does my Linux desktop annoy me? Did it used to be a major pain back in 2004 when I got fed up with Windows XP and quit gaming cold-turkey to get away from it? Yes. On the whole, would I say that I "like it" in its current state? Yes!

Sure, vsync doesn't work on my triple-head nVidia desktop and I had to lock the resolution to keep fullscreening games from scrambling up my window layout by turning off the secondary monitors, but I'd take that any day over the equivalent nitpicks that Windows users just learn to live with.
“What does that even mean?” it’s an exaggerated statement but I stand by it’s overall meaning.

I was going to explain this in greater detail but it appears you’ve already done that for me.

1. you quite gaming cold turkey
2. your vsync is broken
3. your games can’t change resolution

All of this because of some minor nitpicks? I don’t think anyone else would want to put themselves through that.

Also for the mouse wheel stuff there’s a program called winaero tweaker which I think fixes that.


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ssokolow: I'm sure someone, somewhere, has spitefully pulled their automated install script for getting a Win9x-era game to run on Windows XP by automatically applying patches, editing the config file, and setting Windows compatibility mode switches... and that's not even considering whether the post-XP switch to 64-bit permanently killed the ability to run them without emulation. Win9x games weren't above relying on existing 16-bit code to make their ship dates.

Also, even back when it was brand new, the Linux port of UT99 would crash if you tried to use the ChaosUT mod, so I can see why GOG might not try too hard to get the rights necessary to redistribute it. After all, that mod is such a thing that I first encountered it on the second disc of my Game of the Year Edition version of UT99.
I’m sure someone somewhere has done it as well, but I know someone did it here with Linux. Lets be realistic here, you’re not likely to ever find an example of that happening on the internet. It’s too big and Windows users are too sensible and in too higher number. Point is, I shouldn't even be able to find it so easily let alone on a site like this.


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ssokolow: How is the kernel not already "good"?

It's the desktop and components specific to it that still need work.

Speaking of which, Flatpak (like Android APKs but for desktop Linux) solves your dependency complaints so well that pirates are using it to bundle up Windows games and Wine into "just torrent and double-click" application bundles.)
There’s nothing wrong with the Kernel itself but it has never been put to good use on the Desktop. Phones are an example of Linux done right. Ubuntu is the opposite. That’s my point. It sounds like you actually got this point. Perhaps I should’ve supersized desktop.

Flatpaks, Snaps, yum, apt, pacman. These are just some of the examples of what I meant when I said “their obsession with features and systems that do not matter” The community can’t make up it’s mind on what direction to take things so it tries to take them all. A community that specialises in everything will master nothing. This is why Flats are not taking off.

Here’s a screenshot of kdenlive and also a link so you can investigate yourself

https://kdenlive.org/download/

https://www.dropbox.com/s/svzgjsm2bnlrm0l/Kdenlive%20no%20Flat.png?dl=0

On my final note I must admit I was surprised to find a Linux user using piracy as a positive example for their argument. It’s not against the rules or anything it’s just odd to see is all. Still I did a little investigating into this Flat-pack Linux user on the piratbay. I don’t think he was a good example. He’s a total no body and I hesitate to ask how much barrel digging was done to find him. Actually maybe not, he’s kind of a metaphor for the Linux desktop community as a whole. Completely insignificant and only imported to a very tiny pocket of people.
Post edited February 03, 2018 by Magmarock