Well, technically I'm the publisher for them. So I went through Greenlight for The Moon Sliver, but was able to deal directly with Steam for The Music Machine. Not sure if I'll have to go through Greenlight for my next game or not.

Hopefully not. Greenlight is... weird. And kind of annoying.

http://darkbase01.com/

even the site is gone! O___k

Good lord... he took ALL the balls!

Do you know (and can you disclose) how many votes are required to pass Greenlight? Because i find it weird that Steam promised an end to Greenlight and yet you continue to see games being released that makes you wonder how did they get approved.

Its like instead of closing the "service" they made it easier to get approved.

"nothing to see here, go away"

LOL

Yeah I forget about A,B, and C since I rarely search Steam to buy anything anymore unless I know what I am looking for by name first. Since I don't have time to search though the shit pile to find something that I may actually want but never heard of before thanks to the flooded market that is there now. So because of that I also don't check the reviews.

True, I know that many are having high hopes that this will help put a end to scummy assest flipping devs like Digital Homicide who quickly slap together a sloppy "game" using store bought unity assests which many of these types don't even buy but pirate off torrent sites to make a quick buck or devs who slap something together really quickly and put it up as a early access title to make a few easy bucks and then abandon it.

Since now that Steam offers refunds it will clear up some of the scammers like those I mentioned and others. But sadly where their is a will, there is a way and it's always possible that enterprising scammers will find loopholes to exploit. I hope not but it's possible.

...complete with DRM-free download of the game from Groupees. Now I want to play it. His reverse psychology has worked!

It's not actually a number of votes, you simply have to be in the top... umm, 75 I think? In theory. In practice, Greenlight is just a suggestion for Valve, and in the past they've been happy to ignore games in the top 75 for several Greenlight rounds, and pass games through that aren't in the top 75.

I don't actually know anything more about Greenlight as a dev than you guys. It's more of a suggestion than a rule, and publishers seem to be able to bypass it.

Yeah, from what I gathered you shouldn't have to much to worry about unless Valve get's a bug up their ass and single you out to "make a example off" like they seemed to have done to Wadjet Eye in the past when Greenlight first came about. Since Valve does love to make these "examples" to show that they can and will do something and then never actually act on it after example has been given. Again like making Wadjet eye go through Greenlight with Primordia to show "hey just because you are established with us doesn't mean you will get a pass" and then never make anyone else who is established go through Greenlight..

Or Paranautical Activity when they denied them the ability to bypass greenlight by getting a publisher claiming "that getting a publisher doesn't mean you are guaranteed to bypass greenlight" and then letting 15 or so games do just that the same day they laid the smackdown on Paranautical and Adult swim(who were going to publish it).. yeah Valve's a bit bi-polar I think it's due to the whole flat corporate structure approach they have..

*lol*

It worked for me too. I downloaded the Desura version yesterday and will try it later this evening. I had to backup this "gem" before it vanishes from every store.

It's probably still possible, but especially now that there are refunds, I don't think it's anywhere near practical. Maybe they'll be able to scam people out of a few dollars--some might buy it and never play it, before the negative reviews come out, some might never bother refunding it. But before you could release crap, get money beforet the negative reviews hit, and make off clean. Not now.

Overall this is a big problem in the artistic community, the inability to handle criticism.

Not everybody is going to love your creations, regardless of how much work you put it into it or even how good they actually are. You can make a great game that a lot of people enjoy but there will be at least one person out there who thinks your game sucks.

This is my advice as a creator: It's okay to pull your game/album/book/whatever if it's getting hammered to the point where 99% of the reviews are negative, but for the love of whatever deity you like this week, stay away from anything that allows you to log in and send a message out into the world. You will never win that war, no matter how much you love your creation. Not only will you never win that war, but such a meltdown can end your career permanently, not just as a solo creator, but in the entire industry that you're in.

So basically Greenlight is the same as the Wishlist here? Nice to know. Still doesn't explain how some of the crap that gets through via Greenlight actually get's through if Valve can and will ignore games in that top 75.
Of course very little of what Valve does really makes much sense.

Game devs are people too...... just

Yeah, Valve's weird. And they don't get any less weird when you're a dev. For instance, I heard about the refund system on Twitter before they ever let us know about it. It launched literally about an hour after they announced it to devs... which was after journalists learned about it.

I guess it just makes life more exciting :P