So do you finally understand what it is am trying to say ?
I'm not sure, to be honest. I'm still trying to figure it out ...
This is the post that started it all:
Companies goes where the money is and that's how it is thus statements are useless, neither Steam, Epic or any mid to larger scale company (meaning when you open up your company for public investing you are pretty much expected to go where the profit is) would risk being shut off from selling their games in china
There aren't any excuses or endorsement of how they acted here, this is simply company thinking and whether it's right or wrong is up to each individual to decide.
Ok. Well, the way I read that is that you seem to basically be saying the following:
1. Companies care about profit and not ethics. They will do whatever is necessary to make money.
2. Therefore, you seem to be implying that it is futile to expect companies to observe ethical standards or to try to criticize or hold them accountable for their ethical conduct.
If that is your opinion, then fair enough. You are of course entitled to your opinion. However, if that is an accurate representation of your statements, then I strongly disagree.
Imo, the first point would be a big over-simplification, to say that all businesses are driven by profit and profit alone. There are many examples I could think of of businesses that care about ethics, even some that have built their reputations largely based on ethical considerations. The Body Shop retail chain in the UK strongly oppose the use of animal testing in cosmetics. Whole Foods Market take a principled stance against foods that contain artificial colors and preservatives. Of course, as previously mentioned, GOG built its reputation by pitching themselves as 'the good guys' and opposing DRM in games. Furthermore, many corporations recently have become more concerned about integrity and corporate responsibility.
For the second point, even if the first were true, I would not agree that a boycott is futile. I have already shown a list of successful consumer boycotts that have been held in the past. If we want to see companies behaving in a more ethical manner, then imo it is very important that we insist on companies that we deal with meeting those standards and hold them accountable if they don't.
So, on those points we may have to agree to disagree.
And then on top of all this is the unavoidable irony that China
has recently been cracking down on video games companies (with a resulting drop in the share prices of Tencent and Netease). So, it seems that all these companies that are selling their souls to access the Chinese market are taking quite a risk. Because China is not a free market
, regardless of how much western corporate execs might try to convince themselves otherwise. China
can and will pull the rug out from under al of these companies, as soon as it is in their interest to do so.
Sorry for the late reply, had some things to do but i will try to be more clear with this reply.
It's close to what i think but i will like to make some changes.
1. It ofc depends on the company and the people who represent it but in general making money seem more important than acting to the value they say they stand for like Blizzard and Hong Kong, censoring skeletons in their games, workers and more, EA caring about players or the multitude of companies making use of chinese labor while spouting of how good and moral they are.
2. I don't think we should "expect" but rather wish they would uphold the ethical standard they are promoting and as for boycotting, this is something i rarely do but i would if something got bad enough and there is no other way around change but i'm more of the mind of observing before boycotting.
As for the effeciency of boycotting, yes there boycotts who absolutely succeed but it's hard especially within entertaiment when most average joes who make up the majority of the market don't look twice about anything they buy and just consume.
In the thread of boycotting where you list the specific issues you have a problem with, you said earlier in this thread that there is 100 boycotters but that is over the span of around 7-8 months since that day now and users come and go so tbh that is not a lot.
is not a free maket and you will need the governments approval to do business there which is you know something we all have mixed feelings about but is a very large market and growing by the day so it's certainly attractive to sell your games there although the governments willingness to crack down on companies and people they don't like makes it unreliable in the long term.
Also a little reply to GamezRanker, they have not changed yet though and there is only EAs words so far except for Ultima Underworld and Syndicate but will it continue ? we'll see but i hope they will start paying attention to releasing drm free games again or at the very least not remove eveything just because they want to erase their classics.
That wasn't preaching though but voicing displeasure of those games removals, preaching to me is telling people how to be ethical about something according to their own moral compass.