My quote wasn't fantastic, sorry. I mostly needed to quote something of yours :)

Basically I'm not voting Yog ever. Some games require a leap of fate where you need to assume something and build on top of it to make things work. For me this is it and it isn't even that big of a stretch when you think about it. I actually realized it at the end of Yesterday but at the time I did and got back to share it with everyone Trent had already decided to cut the day short.

Anyway, at D1 Blotunga was one of the most viable wagons (if not the most) at the end and as we agreed sometime earlier Yog rejected taking part in it. This pretty much killed the whole thing as we were short and even if Pooka didn't hesitate as long as he did we probably would have ended without a lynch. Even though I now know for a fact that blotunga is Town I stand by my read of him and believe he was a viable lynch based on the information that was available back then. A lot of others also shared the same point of view. Which would mean Scum yog deliberately passed on a free mislynch on a messy D1. There is no way that can happen unless yog is playing some next-next level game. If he is - a tip of the hat and gg. But I really don't think so.

That means yog is Town.

His conviction of Flub being Town is something that still escapes me so we'll have to see what's up there but for the moment let's assume he made a good call - Flub is also Town.

I know I'm Town.

That leaves Joe, Micro, Wyrm and you to worry about. Probably at least 2 out of these 4 names belong to scum (or non-Town) players.

You seemed to believe Micro even after blotunga's confirmed claim and it does make sense to a point but I wouldn't be a sure as you seemed to be.

So he is either Town indeed or if he is scum I'd say you are scum with him. That means I'd rather remove him from the list (or at the very least put him last).

Joe, Wyrm and you are left.

I've always felt like Joe was off and at this point I'm pretty much sold on him being scum.

The question is which one, if not both, of you and Wyrm are scum.

The NK does feel weird to me. I do believe Wyrm would have killed someone else (to be honest, I don't share yog's view on this - I actually expected to be the NK myself). On the other hand this may very well be true:

You or your buddies may have found out his role and didn't want to risk to try and lynch him but just went for the sure role-kill (I know he was on your list along with Yog). I mean, even if there is Doctor, would they really protect Koro? Looks like a pretty safe kill to go through. It also doesn't give up a whole lot of info, so even better.

So yeah. I have to think about you and Wyrm but at the moment I don't feel great about you for sure.

Except that I know for 100% that yog isn't who he's hinting that he is.

And as a corollary of what I'm pretty he's wrong when he wrote that the wolves haven't posted yet (at a time when that meant me, Joe, you and Micro)

I can claim now and give my info.

Oh honey, I know you're probably sleeping right now, but please do come back soon and fill us in. I'm going to get itchy feelings if you wait too long.

I don't buy it. Assume any references to scum!yog below mean a scum team with yog and a rolecop, regardless of whether yog himself has rolecop.

If scum!Yog rolecopped Korotan N1 and found Roleblocker, he isn't going to burn a kill on that. There's no value to it in a game this short. He's going to go looking for something better (cops, doctors, kills) and let the new guy block townies as extra chances of preventing good guys from acting.

For that matter, Yog isn't going to rolecop Korotan N1, not with the state of the game at that time. No offense meant to Korotan, but Yog is going to look at people that are more dangerous.

I've seen something specific that makes me think Flub is town. I could be reading too much into it; it is hard to tell with Flub.

The rest of your case is interesting, though I'm not entirely convinced about your clearing Yog as town for skipping the D1 lynch; I'm reminded of a past game when scum!HSL skipped a lynch he could have secured. I'm right there with you on "sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith", though.

I'm not ready for your claim yet. What do you think Yog is he hinting that he is?

I'm not saying it's impossible, I just don't buy it as I see it as a waste of time and a good opportunity. Blotunga who is now mod confirmed still looks scummier as a stump than some other people. How can yog pass on such a good opportunity if you are scum? Especially if you, yourself, are Town? You (and I and others, but you are the important aspect here) pushed yog for blotunga when yog was pushing for you hard. That is like a chapter taken out of "Mislynch 101" - mislynch and if you can set another townie in the process for Tomorrow - even better!

Again, if this was some clever ploy and planned to go that way - GG! I'm willing to lose to that and won't even be mad about it.

True enough. I don't really see Yog, as kill-happy as he tends to be, leaving such an opportunity on the table especially after I gave him a gold-wrapped invitation.

Unless, of course, you two are in cahoots but and this is all orchestrated (maybe only 2 scum but with day chat to coordinate better for it?) but as I said twice now - if that is the case - bravo! Otherwise, I just don't buy it.

You've got to be kidding me?

Cop. He's strongly hinted at in on D2, and today he's "solved" it. Only he won't say what he knows till later, because... ?

Except I know 100% he's no cop.

So why would he hint at it today. And why would he ask no one to claim before he does. But not give any info? If you want to say something do it. If you don't want to, why open your mouth in the first place?

So I suspcted he wanted to gauge reactions first to see how best to "claim" without wanting anyone to outclaim him. And I bait him with rolecop instead to see if he bites.

That's when dedo "clears" yogs by saying he's Town because he didn't lynch blotunga on D1...

... except that I was sitting there constantly online till the very end and yogs could not lynch blotunga. Blot was at -2 and the only people online at the time were yogs, myself and Bookwyrm, with me and Bookwyrm already on blotunga's wagon. There was no one else online.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_58_disney_to_the_rescue/post233

And if dedo did thorough reading like he said, he should have known that it doesn't in any way clear yog the way he very confidently says that it does.

And at this point I'd really like to hear what yogs has to say before giving away any more info.

Where, oh where has my little yog gone, where oh where could he be?

Everyone but Micro has shown up, however briefly. Show us your magic.

seems legit.

seems legit.

seems legit.

seems...
no wait, whut?



I'd like to know how flub, blotunga and micro feel about yogsloth.
Blotunga, why would you lynch him? Or were you joking?

Assume? There is nothing to assume. Unless you believe Micro is lying, the fact that scum team has rolecop is kind of a given.

Or scum knew the new guy might block one of them?

I'd like to know how YOU feel about yogsloth. Particularly you.

That's...an odd response.

My "assume" statement there was simply an acknowledgement that scum might have the rolecop on the team without yog himself being the rolecop. With that understood, I was free to use some shorthand in my explanation without someone jumping in with "How do you know Yog was the RC?".

Like who?

My interest is piqued. I'm eager to see where he's going, and I suspect it might be something pretty good. I'm not falling over myself to say "he's proven himself town in my eyes!"

Sorry, I misread. I thought you meant wrote "assume scum have a rolecop".

I don't know, honestly. Just a suggestion on why Koro was target.

I might do an iso of him later this night when I have time.

lmao mafia outing themselves so hard right now

Let me type this all out, be back shortly :)