Welcome!
I can't actually remember if we've played a game together before or not, but nice to have you on board :)

@Sage hope you get everything sorted out soon :)

Do you realize what you just said? You want everyone (except the 3 masons) to blindly believe all mason claims? That's going to win us the game, how?

Ok, I didn't really want to spell it out this much, but I will. You said it yourself earlier adalia, this is not a regular game of mafia. It is a game of teams, 2, two player scum teams, and 1, three player mason team. Figure out the teams, and this game is cracked open. The reason I don't believe mchack's claim is the simply because I don't see any two other players being his mason partners.

and this is good, because then scum hopefully doesn't either. You know we have day chat? we can stage oscars worthy fights no problem.
I really don't see what you are doing here. You are not a mason. As a vanilla why would you risk voting for a mason? Why would you challange the only one to ever come out this game and want him lynched? What the hell are you even thinking if town?
No sadly the only conclusion this leaves is that you are scum. (sadly because it messes with my list, you know) if converted or original, I can't say. But with you at least we have a 100% chance of hitting scum. (unless you are just plain crazy, which I really don't think you are)
So

unvote
vote leonard

ps.: Welcome gogtrial :) hopefully you'll have time to do a proper reread during the night (if scum all the better for town if you go unprepared into the night, if town you'll have time then), should we get a fast lynch together this time. (hint just vote leonard he deserves it)

Nope.

There are exactly two players who I can see being mchack's mason buddies, and they both make perfect sense.

Fat chance in hell I'm going to tell you who they are though, no doubt that is exactly what you're hoping for.

I think I've seen enough.

Vote Leonard03

I'm not suggesting you are. I'm suggesting that being converted kind of sucks and that actually sacrificing yourself to save a buddy with more powers then you and give them another night to use them, while also possibly outing a few extra masons might be well worth doing.

As town, voting anyone who has claimed mason with out a counter claim is reckless and dangerous, particularly just because you don't feel that it is true.

Turning your own argument on it's head, mchack only had a couple of votes (three maybe) and unless he was Hunter's buddy he should be able to count on at least one and possibly two people to not vote him if he were scum.
So why would he claim mason now instead of waiting to see how the day panned out? Knowing he would likely be counter claimed (or just shot tonight even if he survived)?

don't you dare flipping town. I'd be so angry, I might break another finger just by facepalming so hard! There is just no sense in trying to get one of your only PR lynched if you're town. none.

Sorry guys, was too sick yesterday to do anything else than fight a number of symptoms, and try to catch some sleep.

I see that being ill and on this ship don't go all that well together... A quick look shows we have a Mason claim, Leonard03 at L-1 (going by Krypsyn's vote count, and the votes after it), and a replacement.

Could we slow down a bit with the Leonard03 wagon so I can catch up properly (I'm at post #820)?

mkay

Well, I guess all I can say is I wouldn't make that move if I was in that situation.

I'm guessing it's because, as he said, he was tired of being the lynch target. When I voted for him, he assumed he was pretty much done, so figured he may as well claim, hoping to reveal some masons for his friends (friends plural, I'm pretty sure he's on 3-man cyborg team) to NK.

Of course, there's no reason to do so. But I'm 90% sure you're not a mason. Honestly I think every town player should be skeptical of a mason claim, anyone who's just taking it hook-line-and-sinker is looking for town points.
Also, I'd just like to put this out here, if you are a mason, then I'd say maybe your mason friends should have thought a little harder about trying to appear as vanilla as possible and if there might be side effects to doing so.

If I were scum: how would I reveal masons by my claim? The only thing it does is reveal scum to the masons, not the other way around, and the masons wouldn't even have to out themselves for it. They can simply politely lynch him whenever they deem is the right time to claim.

well, you are 90% wrong then because I am. And yes every town player should take every mason claim hook-line-and-sinker because there's nothing else for it. There'll be a time when all masons will claim together (probably tomorrow) and then everyone going for the false mason claim is just outed scum, to counter such a claim when not actually mason yourself is just suicide. What do you even think to achieve as town by distrusting a mason claim? there is nothing you can achieve that is pro town. Only thing is getting yourself lynched (or worse yet the claimed mason lynched) And then what? Then you tell the mason, well you should have just not claimed or your fellow masons should have appeared more vanilla??!? You for real? Do you actually, actively want to lose this game for town?

no, I can't believe anyone would do that. Only scum has any reason to sow this kind of distrust.

That's my take on this, although now it turns out Leonard isn't claiming, it just doesn't make sense to him.


Really? They shouldn't have tried to look like a distant Vanilla to try and attract a scum suicide but expose themselves to any player who is paying a bit more attention so they can avoid side-effects? Do you realize what you just said?

Because you're hoping they claim to counter your claim. Unless they scum's team counter claims mason... which apparently town must believe. Then where are you? Sure you'll eventually end up lynching all the false claimers, but there's a decent chance they can convert some players in that time (or have done so already) and now you've lost the masons. Oh, and there's still another team running rampant.

Except lynching a scum that is false claiming?

Not more vanilla, less vanilla. And no, of course I don't. Do you? You mislynch me and scum have majority of votes, game is pretty much lost.

What I'm saying is that if a mason tries as hard as possible to convince scum he is vanilla, maybe he will convince town as well. I would say all town should try to make it as unclear as possible if they are mason or vanilla, more confusion for scum is better.

Agreed. I really want some feedback before a hammer. Especially from gogtrial134987.

Unvote: HypersomniacLive

FoS: Leonard03

Leonard03 - 5 Votes (adaliabooks 723/748; ZFR 787/835; trentonlf 855; dedoporno 856; ZFR 858; mchack 873; adaliabooks 874)

For the moment
Unvote Leonard

I'm going to be catching up (slowly) today; my schedule was rather abruptly shifted around on me. So you'll probably see my light on quite a bit.

I do want to say that the above pulled a literal lol out of me. Hooray! Hooray!