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dedoporno: Development!

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mchack: I am mason.
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dedoporno: As for Wyrm vs HSL I have to think about it. I was town-reading HSL in the context of you being scum (well, not exactly town-reading but "not-your-buddy" reading which was making him less of a scum possibility), Wyrm was mostly in the middle.

Now I kind of don't want to ask you about anyone else, though, for obvious reasons. I still think adalia was and probably still is town.
yes, I hope I can go through this day without talking about other people than the three: adalia, wyrm, hsl. Those are definitly not fellow masons of mine and should I get lynched or nked you'll see from my flip that I am not lying about myself.
As for which of the three, I'm faily open. chances are around (yesterday even at least) 50% for each flipping scum, but also not 100%. Adalia is mostly a personal choice of mine, thinking him exceptionally scummy (but I do tend to tunnel indeed). But I am willing to vote any of the three.
As for talking about others, I'll do one exception though: krypsyn is pinging me as maybe being the convert of last night with his voting flubs that he didn't make a case for properly (low hanging fruit). and him being the one I'd have gone for if I was scum. Still as I explained before he is not one of those I think are the 3 original Gangsters.
Should whoever of the 3, town thinks scummy enough to lynch, flip town. and me not getting NKed, then town can decide tomorrow if they want to policy lynch me or if I should ask the others to come out aswell and back me.
This should not under any circumstance happen today, though, because there is likely still two conversion shots left today. (But maybe we are lucky (50% can go both ways) and hit scum that hasn't used his shot yet then only 1 conversion is left possible)

*also I won't talk about why 50%. you can read about it in the mason chat post game.
Vote: adaliabooks
I'm doing an ISO of Wyrm, about half-way through and so far I can't say I see something that stands out. Is there something in specific to look for or is he based more on the focused vote pool?
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mchack: This is my claim. I am mason.
If that is true, then I apologize too.

I still think it's worth investigating Leonard as Hunter's buddy, or anyone for being Hunter's buddy in general for that matter, but if we risk going no-lynch again I'm ok to switch adalia.

I'll wait till I see where everyone else is at first, though.
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adaliabooks: I still believe you are scum and this is a last ditch attempt to save your ass, but let's see how this plays out.
How is that supposed to even work out for him now? And the guy did survive D1 at L-1 for hours - if that isn't the hand of masons I don't know what is. Incidentally, you and Wyrm were the ones who said to not count too much on that fact (I tried to look for others too, but couldn't find anything, I could use a hand there).
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HypersomniacLive: They do, don't they?

Which could well have been you, if you were town D1 as you claimed, couldn't it? So, why should anyone take your word that you're town Today, and follow your suggestion?
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mchack:
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adaliabooks: Unvote Leonard03
Vote mchack

Sorry, I just can't not vote him. As Krypsyn pointed out all of his arguments revolve around him, as if he is the only important point in the game. You'd think if he was so important and scum were so desperate to remove him they would have NK'd or converted him...
And despite his stalling, mud slinging and attempts to save his own skin at the end of the day causing us to No Lynch, meaning we now have two players we can no longer trust and no more info then we did yesterday, he can't possibly see why anyone could think he is scum..
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mchack: first off: Adalia, stop frigging putting that no-lynch on me. It was just as much on you and dedo and bookwyrm and krypsyn and so on. each of you had plenty of time going over to hsls wagon if you wanted a flip so much but you didn't! Each of you chose no-lynch over HSLs flip.

secondly: To all those questions/comments there is one thing to consider and I think it is time to be open about it now (since I won't go another full day at L-1 avoiding to say it. Wouldn't last that long today anyway because most likely it's only 7 town left now)

Look into the game setup and read what's been written there right under hacker:

"You will do everything in your power to protect the humans aboard this ship and purge it of any infections, technological or biological."

and then think about what I have been doing the whole of D1. Don't tell me that wasn't an obvious soft-claim. But I said I wouldn't claim because I thought town (8 frigging town) should be enough to lynch one man doing nothing but scummy things all day long without me claiming (yes I know I tend to tunnel, but really? no-one but me thinks it scummy what he does??) so I didn't. Also I didn't want to help scum in knowing 1 mason and maybe guessing the rest. I swore myself I wouldn't and damn town if they got what they deserved (My flip). Now it's D2 and still people are going after flubs or me or trent and won't even think of considering to lynch adalia or hsl or bookwyrm. I cannot and I will not do it another day.

This is my claim. I am mason. My pool of suspects is considerably smaller than that of a vanilla townie. Sure I can't know who scum is. But I know a few who aren't scum (thus having a higher chance of being right even if random, yet my scumlist is not at all random) and I cannot be converted. (I will not say who the other masons are under any circumstances, but I also will not sit here and let myself be lynched without saying anything today, as I would have yesterday.)
So if in fact you want to lynch me (again) today then go ahead, but don't say afterwards I haven't told you it's wrong and as town you do not want to do this.

Or can finally someone help me lynch adalia for effs sake and kill some scum.

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vote adalia

P.s. or hsl or bookwyrm. My vote won't go anywhere else but these 3 today unless scum slips up (by false counter-claiming mason for instance)
I had a feeling you were a Mason yesterday with how you were acting and reacting, I just wish you didn’t have to claim because that hurts us tonight. I also still think adalia is town, and from his bahavior today I don’t think he was converted so I will not be voting him.

It’s imperative we lynch scum today, a town lynch and it’s going to be tough for us to win. For me I am willing to vote anyone except mchack or adalia, and my three preferences for a lynch are either bookwyrm, dedo, or HSL. My vote is on bookwyrm now and I am leaving it there until either another wagon I see as possible scum develops or someone does something I find to be scummier than bookwyrm.
I really hate posting from my phone sometimes, this is what I said:

I had a feeling you were a Mason yesterday with how you were acting and reacting, I just wish you didn’t have to claim because that hurts us tonight. I also still think adalia is town, and from his bahavior today I don’t think he was converted so I will not be voting him.

It’s imperative we lynch scum today, a town lynch and it’s going to be tough for us to win. For me I am willing to vote anyone except mchack or adalia, and my three preferences for a lynch are either bookwyrm, dedo, or HSL. My vote is on bookwyrm now and I am leaving it there until either another wagon I see as possible scum develops or someone does something I find to be scummier than bookwyrm.
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adaliabooks: I still believe you are scum and this is a last ditch attempt to save your ass, but let's see how this plays out.
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dedoporno: How is that supposed to even work out for him now? And the guy did survive D1 at L-1 for hours - if that isn't the hand of masons I don't know what is. Incidentally, you and Wyrm were the ones who said to not count too much on that fact (I tried to look for others too, but couldn't find anything, I could use a hand there).
Yeah, that was just a gut response really based on my previous read (and not wanting to be wrong, I'm a stubborn bugger). Thinking about it more it doesn't make much sense, whereas him being mason probably does.

I want to hear from a couple more players their thoughts before I say anything more, but I think he probably is telling the truth and this whole thing has been a huge mess, mostly my fault.

I can actually see how looking at it again from this angle completely changes how is behaviour looks and all the things I found to be massive scum tells actually make sense in the context of a mason.

I wish he had claimed yesterday (or just gone with the flub lynch, it made sense) and you could have just lynched me and been done with it, but lynching me today is not so good a move (though better than another no lynch). I am town, just obviously got this one completely wrong.
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adaliabooks: I can actually see how looking at it again from this angle completely changes how is behaviour looks and all the things I found to be massive scum tells actually make sense in the context of a mason.
Doesn't it?

Unvote: flubbucket
Vote: HypersomniacLive

I want to hear from Sage103082.
unvote Leonard

I still think him likely Hunter's partner, but I just realized that voting for the names mchack mentioned carries no risk of accidentally hitting a hacker.
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ZFR: unvote Leonard

I still think him likely Hunter's partner, but I just realized that voting for the names mchack mentioned carries no risk of accidentally hitting a hacker.
I'm actually thinking he's a prime suspect for having been converted now.

Whereas flub's behaviour would make sense if he had been converted by mchack, if that's not an option then it seems more likely he is still town.
But Leonard's sudden vote for mchack makes sense if he was converted and his new buddies were helping push mchack's wagon yesterday.
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mchack: This is my claim. I am mason.
Nope. I don't buy this. And why in the world are you claiming now? There's what, 2 votes on you?

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adaliabooks: I don't actually buy it, but unless someone counter claims and says your not a mason then you are off the table.
Ooh, how interesting. Looking to kill two birds with one stone here, eh?

Huh, interesting. Apparently most others believe the claim. Well, I've been known to be wrong but... no, there's no way he's a mason. Vote stays.

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adaliabooks: I'm actually thinking he's a prime suspect for having been converted now.
Mkay. What do you think of Sage and Bookwyrm?
Dang, dang, dang.

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Krypsyn: I want to hear from Sage103082.
This. We need something from you Sage.
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ZFR: I still think him likely Hunter's partner, but I just realized that voting for the names mchack mentioned carries no risk of accidentally hitting a hacker.
Unless he's lying through his teeth.


@HSL, what are your thoughts on claim please?
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Leonard03: @HSL, what are your thoughts on claim please?
Yes, please.