adalia flipping scum would cast a bad light on anyone in favor of lynching flubs D1 ie. you, hsl, dedo, krypsyn, zfr. chances the other scum team is in there somewhere isn't too far fetched in my assessment of the situation and as I explained before scum would not want to start killing off other scum until there is alot less town around. So I assume it makes perfect sense for scum to rather not risk adalia or hsl flipping scum, to not make lynching for example me or leonard (who on reread also didn't buy lynching flubs yesterday was a good Idea and voted adalia for it aswell and hsl later) less probable today and if correct (yes this is still assuming adalia, hsl, you are scum ) would rather induce hitting scum today (which again is not something scum wants)
so no from scums perspective it this not at all a win-win.
So if I flip scum everything I suggest or support suddenly becomes a bad idea? I don't think anyone else who was willing to vote flub yesterday would look bad in that situation, 6 people voted him yesterday so even if you assume all the scum did then at least two town did as well. Which means there are town that see that it was the right move we should have took yesterday.
As for scum not wanting to kill each other early, I think you'll find I suggested that might be the case, so if I'm scum that must be wrong and a bad idea too, no?
I'm sure you didn't _only_ have bad ideas (would have to ISO to find out for sure though ;P
anyway while it does not make everyone who followd your idea yesterday to lynch flub for being a vanilla townie automatically scum if you indeed flip scum, it would telling where the idea stemmed from (scum in that case).
Also there were various reasons people supported your idea for: krypsyn for instance seemed mostly in it for the fast lynch less talk thing (to protect masons) (though I'm still waiting for him to answer why he votes flubs now), not so much for the lynch all we are reasonably sure that they're vanilla to leave less room for conversion thing (which is very scummy to my mind, because it rather works to out masons, too and kills townies) or others who believed your claim that flubs wouldn't be working for towns win condition anymore anyhow (which is again different from killing flubs for just being believed vanilla town) etc.
Hence various commitment to your Ideas would make the reflection of your flipping scum also differentuated.
In that same vein you flipping town would cast a bad light on me (or wouldn't it it in your logic? would everyone go oh well we lynched adalia because mchack made a big fuss all the time and now he's flipped town. ah nevermind let's not look at mchack now. adalias flip doesn't reflect on others, he said so himself)
chances the other scum team is in there somewhere isn't too far fetched in my assessment of the situation and as I explained before scum would not want to start killing off other scum until there is alot less town around.
That might be true for an original 2 person scum team, but a team with 1 scum left facing a 3 person scum team might want to finish some of them off before going for for town.
A 1 scum (with 1 recruit possibility) facing 8 townies is hard but doable. A 1 scum team (with no recruiting; townies are dead) facing 3-4 scum team is a definite loss.
uhm. they were both 2 person scum teams in the situation I'm talking about. this decision I was musing about (who goes for the conversion shot) was taking place N1 with two teams each 2 persons. I don't see how you comment fits what I said.
For your assumption to work (Adalia was Hunter's partner; but still went for the conversion):
_Adalia had to be sure that HSL was the rival scum team (how?).
_Adalia loved the other scum team so much (haha) and was worried that his flip would reveal them (dubious), that he would rather sacrifice his well hidden partner than let that happen.
_And all that on top of the fact that if his partner dies he'd be left alone vs not only townies but a scum team which, according to this theory, he just helped strengthen.
(adalia^ HSL names included for illustrative purposes only in the above example)
There is a good chance adalia (or HSL) is scum. And I'd be willing to even accept that adalia (or HSL) is a mutant. But if he (or HSL) is a mutant, then the events of the night transpired in a different way (Hunter was NK'ed or recruited then Nk'ed...)
Or adalia and Hunter are the worst mafia players ever and didn't think it through.
1. not sure. but assume scum in: HSL or Bookwyrm or Dedo or Krypsyn or even You (By helping each other in discussion and telling everyone they will not be voting each other. Which is rather easy to pick up really. I've picked up on it, and that means it's obvious)
2. see above that decision was taken at N1 two scum teams with 2 people each. no reason to fight each other yet.
3. I'm sure it's bad if your scumbuddy dies, but taking the conversion shot, I think means one is reasonably sure it will not go wrong because of that consequence.
also you don't do the conversion shot to strengthen your rival team but to strengthen your own. if going wrong no reason to hurt the other team aswell, I assume since a dead townie is still better than a dead scum for them because the biggest enemy is still town (we are 7-8)
Yes I also think there is a good chance adalia and Hsl (and bookwyrm) are scum and I really don't care which team they belong to. I just want a scum flip today. that's all I aspire to. You can help, you know. a scum flip could be just a few votes away.