Posted October 25, 2017
Boop it.
Let's lynch Sage. There isn't enough reason to save that slot.
Unvote Mchack
Vote Sage
Let's lynch Sage. There isn't enough reason to save that slot.
Unvote Mchack
Vote Sage
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Hunter65536
New GOGlin
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted October 25, 2017
The discussion has been waging back and forth for all Day and everyone has become tired. Even the lights. At least the evening lights grow dimmer and dimmer - and still no one dares to throw the final stone at either HSL or mchack. So in the end everyone decides to go to bed instead and hope...
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Final Vote Count
adalia 1 - Sage 300
mchack 4 - dedo 361, HSL 572, adalia 573, krypsyn 602,
Sage 2 - Boowyrm 691, Hunter 692
HSL 5 - trent 588, Leonard 644, flubb 655, mchack 659, ZFR 661,
everyone is voting, HSL is at L-2
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IT IS NOW NIGHT. CEASE POSTING! IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A NIGHTLY CHAT, GO THERE AND DISCUSS YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS.
Night will be about 48 hours. Unless everyone decides on nightactions before that.
(If I made an error in counting, you may still point that out, although it is Night)
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Final Vote Count
adalia 1 - Sage 300
mchack 4 - dedo 361, HSL 572, adalia 573, krypsyn 602,
Sage 2 - Boowyrm 691, Hunter 692
HSL 5 - trent 588, Leonard 644, flubb 655, mchack 659, ZFR 661,
everyone is voting, HSL is at L-2
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IT IS NOW NIGHT. CEASE POSTING! IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A NIGHTLY CHAT, GO THERE AND DISCUSS YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS.
Night will be about 48 hours. Unless everyone decides on nightactions before that.
(If I made an error in counting, you may still point that out, although it is Night)
Post edited October 25, 2017 by Lifthrasil
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted October 25, 2017
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At night, voices plague your dreams. Many voices which are yet one.
"Join us! Never be alone again. See the death and destruction around you that SHE wages. See the hostility in your human race and leave it behind. Be one. Be us! We are not your enemies. We will not kill you but make you one of us. Be alive with us! Not cold steel and dead flesh as SHE would make you. Open your mind and your doors to us and know peace and unity."
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At night, voices plague your dreams. Many voices which are yet one.
"Join us! Never be alone again. See the death and destruction around you that SHE wages. See the hostility in your human race and leave it behind. Be one. Be us! We are not your enemies. We will not kill you but make you one of us. Be alive with us! Not cold steel and dead flesh as SHE would make you. Open your mind and your doors to us and know peace and unity."
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Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted October 27, 2017
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Finally the ships faulty systems decide, that it is Dawn. The lights get brighter and some electronic, distorted birdsong is heard. Slowly you awake. Well, most of you. Hunter does not wake up but lies there dead and cold. A moment you mourn his passing, then you get the drill ready to check - and you find something disgusting. His brain is swarming with little worms and other parasites.
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Hunter65536 is dead. He was a Mutant.
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Quickly you get rid of his body. At least no human died. But you can't help but wonder what else happened during the night. Is everyone still who he was yesterday? And who did the killing? Someone among you is still a murderer and SHODAN and THE MANY continue their fight for your souls.
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It is now Day 2. You may resume posting. All votes are reset to 0 and all posting restrictions / penalties are lifted.
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Finally the ships faulty systems decide, that it is Dawn. The lights get brighter and some electronic, distorted birdsong is heard. Slowly you awake. Well, most of you. Hunter does not wake up but lies there dead and cold. A moment you mourn his passing, then you get the drill ready to check - and you find something disgusting. His brain is swarming with little worms and other parasites.
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Hunter65536 is dead. He was a Mutant.
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Quickly you get rid of his body. At least no human died. But you can't help but wonder what else happened during the night. Is everyone still who he was yesterday? And who did the killing? Someone among you is still a murderer and SHODAN and THE MANY continue their fight for your souls.
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It is now Day 2. You may resume posting. All votes are reset to 0 and all posting restrictions / penalties are lifted.
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Post edited October 27, 2017 by Lifthrasil
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted October 27, 2017
So, Hunter flips scum, and no other apparent activity during the night.
Couple of possibilities:
1) He was town vanilla, and targeted with a recruit and a NK.
2) He was scum.
2a) He tried to recruit scum/mason, while other team successfully converted.
2b) His team successfully recruited, while other team NK'd him.
3) One of the teams did nothing. This is too absurd to do more than discard it.
So. Either he was town and there are 3 conversion shots remaining, or he was scum and there are 2-3 conversion shots remaining. I'm leaning toward him having been scum from the start, with a slight lean toward death by conversion attempt.
I haven't gone over Hunter's post history yet. Trent, Flub, and Mchack are all lynch candidates for me right now.
Vote Mchack
Couple of possibilities:
1) He was town vanilla, and targeted with a recruit and a NK.
2) He was scum.
2a) He tried to recruit scum/mason, while other team successfully converted.
2b) His team successfully recruited, while other team NK'd him.
3) One of the teams did nothing. This is too absurd to do more than discard it.
So. Either he was town and there are 3 conversion shots remaining, or he was scum and there are 2-3 conversion shots remaining. I'm leaning toward him having been scum from the start, with a slight lean toward death by conversion attempt.
I haven't gone over Hunter's post history yet. Trent, Flub, and Mchack are all lynch candidates for me right now.
Vote Mchack
adaliabooks
"Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?"
Registered: Jun 2013
From United Kingdom
Posted October 27, 2017
Couple of possibilities:
1) He was town vanilla, and targeted with a recruit and a NK.
2) He was scum.
2a) He tried to recruit scum/mason, while other team successfully converted.
2b) His team successfully recruited, while other team NK'd him.
3) One of the teams did nothing. This is too absurd to do more than discard it.
So. Either he was town and there are 3 conversion shots remaining, or he was scum and there are 2-3 conversion shots remaining. I'm leaning toward him having been scum from the start, with a slight lean toward death by conversion attempt.
I haven't gone over Hunter's post history yet. Trent, Flub, and Mchack are all lynch candidates for me right now.
Vote Mchack
But I can't see why the other scum team would then have tried to shoot him, unless they'd considered his quietness to be a sign he was a mason.
The only other option I can see is that he was town and both teams tried to recruit him, but I assume in that case he would still flip as town (it would seem a little unfair for the thing that killed him to also change his alignment) though that's not 100% clear from the rules.
So worst case scenario right now is that we are 4 scum, 4 vanilla and 3 masons. Best case is 3 scum, 5 vanilla and 3 masons, but I think it's best to at least assume the worst.
I'm not sure whether to just take up where we left off yesterday or not. I still believe mchack is scum, and there is a strong chance flub was successfully converted, but I don't think just rushing in and placing votes is going to be the best option here.
No lynch day 1 really hurt town I think. We are now in a situation (exactly as I predicted; told you so) where we almost have to lynch flub as he has likely been compromised and we are 1 town down. Admittedly we are 1 scum down too so things could definitely be worse, but we may well have a scum team of 3 and 1 instead of 2 and 2 and I think that may be worse. If they successfully convert tomorrow too and we don't hit another scum (and the other team doesn't kill them) then they won't be far off controlling the lynch.
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted October 27, 2017
I didn't see any reason not to go ahead and place my vote, especially since someone would have to budge from their Day 1 position before Mchack could be lynched anyway.
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted October 27, 2017
2.) No. (S)he just wakes up with a new conviction, but only gets access to the chat in the following night.
Yes, we have less information than we had yesterday. Or, maybe more information, but more questions to overcompensate.
Hmm... <insert WIFOM here>
Agreed.
ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted October 27, 2017
Color me surprised, I didn't see Hunter as scum at all this game.
For me not much has changed and I still see HSL or dedo as our best bet of lynching scum today. Before I am even willing to contemplate adalia, flub, or mchack as a possible lynch candidate I would like to see how the day progresses first.
Vote HSL
Bookwyrm627: So, Hunter flips scum, and no other apparent activity during the night.
Couple of possibilities:
1) He was town vanilla, and targeted with a recruit and a NK.
2) He was scum.
2a) He tried to recruit scum/mason, while other team successfully converted.
2b) His team successfully recruited, while other team NK'd him.
3) One of the teams did nothing. This is too absurd to do more than discard it.
So. Either he was town and there are 3 conversion shots remaining, or he was scum and there are 2-3 conversion shots remaining. I'm leaning toward him having been scum from the start, with a slight lean toward death by conversion attempt.
I haven't gone over Hunter's post history yet. Trent, Flub, and Mchack are all lynch candidates for me right now.
Vote Mchack So no desire to look at anyone else? Interesting. Makes me think you had the power to recruit last night, do you mind saying who you used it on? Or was Hunter your partner and he tried to recruit a Mason or another scum player?
For me not much has changed and I still see HSL or dedo as our best bet of lynching scum today. Before I am even willing to contemplate adalia, flub, or mchack as a possible lynch candidate I would like to see how the day progresses first.
Vote HSL
Couple of possibilities:
1) He was town vanilla, and targeted with a recruit and a NK.
2) He was scum.
2a) He tried to recruit scum/mason, while other team successfully converted.
2b) His team successfully recruited, while other team NK'd him.
3) One of the teams did nothing. This is too absurd to do more than discard it.
So. Either he was town and there are 3 conversion shots remaining, or he was scum and there are 2-3 conversion shots remaining. I'm leaning toward him having been scum from the start, with a slight lean toward death by conversion attempt.
I haven't gone over Hunter's post history yet. Trent, Flub, and Mchack are all lynch candidates for me right now.
Vote Mchack
Bookwyrm627
ADD Jumping Bean
Registered: Nov 2013
From United States
Posted October 27, 2017
Couple of possibilities:
1) He was town vanilla, and targeted with a recruit and a NK.
This is such a laughably transparent smear that I'm not sure whether you were expecting any kind of response at all.
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted October 27, 2017
Hunter65536 didn't really ping me Yesterday, except for a brief moment there when he voted trentonlf in post #584 - when I saw it, it felt a bit like he was looking for a reason to vote him. Have to revisit his interactions, and votes now that he's dead, and try to see which of the possible cases fits better.
Speaking of votes, and as a side note - @Krypsyn, flubbucket should have 0 votes in your D1 vote count.
adaliabooks: [...] The only other option I can see is that he was town and both teams tried to recruit him, but I assume in that case he would still flip as town (it would seem a little unfair for the thing that killed him to also change his alignment) though that's not 100% clear from the rules. [...] [emphasis added]
An attempt from both scum teams prevents either conversion to go through, so "the thing" that kills a townie has no specific alignment, and hence no change of alignment can take place. That's how it was discussed in the mafia admin thread, and that's what the setup document seems to at least indicate. So, I think that Bookwyrm627 covered all possible cases.
I read this to mean that you think it's less likely that he was read differently by the two scum teams, if he was initially town. If so, why?
Speaking of votes, and as a side note - @Krypsyn, flubbucket should have 0 votes in your D1 vote count.
An attempt from both scum teams prevents either conversion to go through, so "the thing" that kills a townie has no specific alignment, and hence no change of alignment can take place. That's how it was discussed in the mafia admin thread, and that's what the setup document seems to at least indicate. So, I think that Bookwyrm627 covered all possible cases.
I read this to mean that you think it's less likely that he was read differently by the two scum teams, if he was initially town. If so, why?
ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland
Posted October 27, 2017
OK, a preliminary re-read, I think for the time being I'll go with
vote flub
It's likely he got recruited and a small chance he was scum to begin with.
I believe this should have been done yesterday as the least of all evils, since we couldn't agree on anyone else. Better than the no-lynch that happened.
I have some insights that I thought I could share, but it would involve discussing masons. I know you got real angry about it yesterday though, so really not sure how much I should say.
vote flub
It's likely he got recruited and a small chance he was scum to begin with.
I believe this should have been done yesterday as the least of all evils, since we couldn't agree on anyone else. Better than the no-lynch that happened.
I have some insights that I thought I could share, but it would involve discussing masons. I know you got real angry about it yesterday though, so really not sure how much I should say.