[...] something I think I remember happening last game I played in when he was scum. [...]
Which game would that be?
"I'm not your friend. Don't fall asleep" at the end of the first video
and "I like to watch" the second.
sounds like suicidal scum to me.
I'd like you to lay out your thought process behind this conclusion.
well, it just did after I watched the vids, doesn't matter though, by his latest posts I'm much more inclined to think flub is town, which means I won't be voting him today.
Does this explaining revolve around the questions you asked and the suggested replies?
I wanted him to talk. he did. I based my judgement on whether or not to lynch him on what he said.
you don't get to decide that, you're not the dungeon master here. [...]
True, the dungeon master is Lifthrasil. Is he the one deciding the lynch?
nope, the majority of us do. Of which most incidently are vanilla. All of those useless muddy vanilla that adalia wants lynched and nked off as soon as possible. They get to decide the lynch.
I want them to stay and with a clear head, decide on the scummiest.
You've spent an awful lot of time talking game mechanics and advising people left and right to put their stances down. How about you take your own advice and make good on your post #351 promise to lay out your stance on your scum suspects? And yes, I saw you voted adaliabooks, I still want you to go on record.
I will, but I have more important stuff to do right now than reread and make a good case for them. If you only want names it's adalia and dedo for now.
A few questions for you:
(I) How exactly did you come up with the numbers in your scenario #1?
(II) Does town really control the lynch in scenario #2?
(III) What are the odds of each scenarios?
Moving on to D3, I like how you took into account a number of cases regarding the N1 outcome, yet for N2 you take it for granted that each scum team successfully kills one Mason. Are you implying that they'd agree upon it during D2? Or is there some (other?) way that escapes me?
first off I miscalculated (1. should be 3m 5s 2v), good of you to point that out. Was and am in a hurry.
as for the rest of the questions, I was merely trying to point out that this (which I was answering):
Town is almost guaranteed a win if we can get the three masons through till tomorrow. Particularly if three vanilla townies are dead. I've outlined the numbers on that already.
is not true, I think. It could go in a lot of ways but killing off a townie and hoping that more townies get killed, saying that this is then an almost guaranteed town win is simply preposterous. You are obviously better with numbers, do you agree with adalia on the above quote?
It seems to me most everyone is forgetting that there are two scum teams and they don’t know who each other are. It is 8v2v2 and reducing towns numbers in anyway is pushing town to lose and that makes every town player a precious commodity. We have no investigative roles so every lynch has to be an attempt to find scum, and if we are unfortunate in not finding scum then the wagon is more imperative than normal to examine to see all the interactions that happened around it.
thank you! yes
It also seems everyone is acting like Flub is the only choice (and now he realistically is and that’s why I’m so annoyed), but he never was until he made it that way instead of letting the natural progression of the day happen. Now all we can do is hope that scum target each other for a NK or a Mason to be converted.
Now unless someone is just in denial flub has made it pretty clear he’s town vanilla and so if he’s not the lynch today he would have to be the lynch tomorrow and that would be even worse IMO. I’ve also cas enough of a stink that scum will probably kill me tonight so I’m going to give my list of who I think possible scum is.
we will see if he really has to be the lynch tomorrow. say we have 2 nk tonight -> we know flub is not converted and our assessment of his alignment doesn't have to change. Scum converting someone else than flub? would leave us in a pickle true, we'd have to be suspicious about everyone (just as we are now) but it also would have scum take the 50% chance on suicide which is very nice.
now that is the third strike: best lynch vanilla townies second best no-lynch?
that is your plan?
and when are we ever going to kill scum?
Even if the masons don't claim tomorrow but subtly push the lynch and the game (so scum have less chance to convert a vanilla or kill a mason) we should be winning (in fact that might even be the better outcome though a little trickier to push through)
they shouldn't. best never. said that before. they should subtly push the lynch throughout the game and keep scum guessing.
So let me ask you a question. How many masons (real or otherwise) are we going to push to claim before we do lynch a vanilla townie?
Let me ask you a question:
You are scum, you are at L-1, you claim mason, lynch disperses (but now you have to be really afraid of the nk from the other scum team. They don't know you false claimed. They think they found a mason. Real masons just laugh about it and go on. They wouldn't counterclaim, why would they? For them the fakeclaim is a sure scum tell. Don't have to out themselves just because they know 1 scum for sure now. let's say this goes on. not all are nightkilled or even real masons get nightkilled. We'll have the flips. Only the real masons will flip mason and nothing can prevent a real mason from flipping so. This means as soon as 3 masons have flipped any other claim for mason from living persons is automatically a sure scum tell.
Still so sure scum will simply claim mason and thereby we can never lynch other than vanilla until all masons have claimed together?
nope, claiming mason will kill scum for sure, sooner or later. So it's back to simple scumhunting and lynching the scumiest and we need all the vanilla we have for that, too.
Here's a thought experiment; if everyone claimed today (including scum) ...
lolwut, massclaim day 1? that's your thought after suggesting killing town, or no-lynch? you going after scummiest player alive award here?