Posted October 19, 2017

Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
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trentonlf
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adaliabooks
"Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?"
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Posted October 19, 2017
So, first things first.
Lift, I'm loving this set up. The more I think of the ins and outs of it the more layers I find.
I want to talk about the various strategies and options but I think it helps scum more than town so I'll save it till after the game.
ZFR: Yeah, I read up on it and from what I've seen no-lynch is almost never a good solution.
Vote: adaliabooks
Leonard03: Interesting vote. Is it? You're voting me... why is ZFR's vote interesting? Presumably you find me scummy enough to vote so why shouldn't ZFR?
Interesting indeed...
mchack: well, it hasn't occured to me until you mentioned it. will read game #25 when I have the time. right now I'll try and reread this one. Long story short, the fact there were two scum teams was hidden for pretty much the entire game because other than one night where one team held their shot and the night one scum team killed off the other they NK'd the same person every night.
So not quite as unlikely as you'd think.
And now for mchack;
First point was as already mentioned, his RVS seemed very eager, including placing votes on wagons (Leonard, though I admit I did start that wagon with my joking suggestion to lynch him I didn't particularly expect anyone to join it. Bookwyrm or even trent I might have expected, but when it was mchack that raised my eyebrows)
Second point, he responded to Krypsyn's vote on him with a little more concern then.. well anyone else seemed to have for any vote so far. He was jokey but it definitely seemed like trying to find out what Krypsyn might have had on him.
mchack: well I think I established that wyrm is bound to be a mutant (because of the worms) so if krypsyn is a vote slave of wyrm, that would mean he's the second mutant.
Anyway... aren't we still in RVS? I'm mostly making jokes, I don't have any serious fos's or votes yet... And I think this might have been a genuine slip. He knows Krypsyn's not a cyborg because he is, so asks him if he is a mutant. The response to dedo's prod seems a bit desperate to me too.
Fourth point comes after my first suggestion he might be scum. His defence is quite impassioned and he also potentially pockets me by saying he thinks I'm town, both things I expect of scum and not so much from town.
He then reinforces this after I actually vote for him.
And everything since has been quite overly defensive, particularly considering he only has two votes and one of them is by the person currently closest to lynch.
Lift, I'm loving this set up. The more I think of the ins and outs of it the more layers I find.
I want to talk about the various strategies and options but I think it helps scum more than town so I'll save it till after the game.

Vote: adaliabooks

Interesting indeed...

So not quite as unlikely as you'd think.
And now for mchack;
First point was as already mentioned, his RVS seemed very eager, including placing votes on wagons (Leonard, though I admit I did start that wagon with my joking suggestion to lynch him I didn't particularly expect anyone to join it. Bookwyrm or even trent I might have expected, but when it was mchack that raised my eyebrows)
Second point, he responded to Krypsyn's vote on him with a little more concern then.. well anyone else seemed to have for any vote so far. He was jokey but it definitely seemed like trying to find out what Krypsyn might have had on him.

Anyway... aren't we still in RVS? I'm mostly making jokes, I don't have any serious fos's or votes yet...
Fourth point comes after my first suggestion he might be scum. His defence is quite impassioned and he also potentially pockets me by saying he thinks I'm town, both things I expect of scum and not so much from town.
He then reinforces this after I actually vote for him.
And everything since has been quite overly defensive, particularly considering he only has two votes and one of them is by the person currently closest to lynch.

dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
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Posted October 19, 2017

mchack
more than enough!
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Posted October 19, 2017


as I said before, stating you are town is not something I view as particularly scummy. But since you do (you pointed out a sentence from me before in this game #142), I thought you should at least be fair and do it for everyone. Though in retrospect after having skimmed the whole thread I only found that adalia said he's human twice - nothing about being town, specifically.

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Lift, I'm loving this set up. The more I think of the ins and outs of it the more layers I find.
I want to talk about the various strategies and options but I think it helps scum more than town so I'll save it till after the game.
and it get's even better when you think that 3 of the townies know each other and presumably won't be part of a lynch against one of their own so the chance of getting 7 votes for someone is even higher for scum and vanilla townies. Even highest for a vanilla townie I thought but since the other scum in a team might be eager to be on a train for his scumbuddy to deflect suspicion off himself in the analysis tomorrow it may even be the same: which would be 4 in 9 (so 45%) chance in hitting scum. So nolynch is definitly out of the question. of course lynching a mason is also possible without the other masons joining in but that would need 7/9 people voting whereas with vanilla and scum it's 7/11 (or 7/10 if both scum stay out which might be reasonable to assume, but not sure, one could be inclined to bus) (suicides disregarded)
before post refresh (dedo kinda ninja'd me, but I got more number and a longer paragraph saying it ;)

Leonard03
Prepare For Descent
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Posted October 19, 2017
Well, I know my reasons for voting you, they're in my head. But ZFR, I dunno, I wasn't expecting him to vote you.

Hunter65536
New GOGlin
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Posted October 19, 2017


trentonlf
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Posted October 19, 2017



mchack
more than enough!
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Posted October 19, 2017
quick correction it should of course be: As for the "no omgus vote from me", that I could have left out. true.
mchack: of course I don't want to be lynched same as every other townie should. last game, I was quite upset with hunter just self-hammering as a vanilla townie! I would have kicked and screamed in his place and maybe it would have helped, the only real scum back than were you and some people did suspect you back than. So self-preservation is a good thing.
Hunter65536: consistent with what he’s said in previous game, and point taken about the self hammer. ftfy



Hunter65536
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Posted October 19, 2017


@mchack Thanks! Was waiting for a bump before making an ebwop.

mchack
more than enough!
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Posted October 19, 2017

@mchack Thanks! Was waiting for a bump before making an ebwop.
and never have two links in the same line of text

Hunter65536
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Posted October 19, 2017

@mchack Thanks! Was waiting for a bump before making an ebwop.

and never have two links in the same line of text

dedoporno
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Posted October 19, 2017


I may be mistaken but I'm getting the impression our conversation is trying to change it's direction to something it was not about originally...
It's was just a story I felt like sharing at that moment.

trentonlf
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Posted October 19, 2017




I may be mistaken but I'm getting the impression our conversation is trying to change it's direction to something it was not about originally...


HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
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Posted October 20, 2017

I don't think I follow. Please elaborate. Especially in relation to my post #212 you kind of quoted.
While your secondary argument hasn't gone unnoticed, I have to ask - is there a way as town in this setup to actually know who is scum?


He kind of did early on, in a jokingly manner, but it went unnoticed.
That's not exactly what's giving me trouble.

I'm having some trouble reconciling the two bits I highlighted.
Up to that point, nobody had given any reads on players. How was mchack doing it helping him in not sticking out? If anything, I'd say it caused the exact opposite.
Would you say that it's still probably so even if one were a town PR?

(i) given the context of adaliabooks post #161, and
(ii) having taken into account it's D1,
that you thought adaliabooks may have been joking about placing a serious vote on mchack based on a gut feeling? And if so, you considered he may be joking about which part, his vote being a serious one, or the reasoning for it?
Seriously?
[emphasis added]
How so?
And quite ironic after what he did in that very same post, right before telling that story.
What exactly about it seems desperate to you?
And I'm still waiting for your answer to my question (post #200).
And speaking of Krypsyn - has anybody ISO'd him? He's gone the whole game so far without making a single comment on anything; all his posts are votes/unvotes and vote counts.