Because he voted for mchack in post 197.

I realized my mistake after I posted. I was taking your comment as people not voting for adaliabooks should be

So, first things first.
Lift, I'm loving this set up. The more I think of the ins and outs of it the more layers I find.
I want to talk about the various strategies and options but I think it helps scum more than town so I'll save it till after the game.

Is it? You're voting me... why is ZFR's vote interesting? Presumably you find me scummy enough to vote so why shouldn't ZFR?
Interesting indeed...

Long story short, the fact there were two scum teams was hidden for pretty much the entire game because other than one night where one team held their shot and the night one scum team killed off the other they NK'd the same person every night.
So not quite as unlikely as you'd think.

And now for mchack;

First point was as already mentioned, his RVS seemed very eager, including placing votes on wagons (Leonard, though I admit I did start that wagon with my joking suggestion to lynch him I didn't particularly expect anyone to join it. Bookwyrm or even trent I might have expected, but when it was mchack that raised my eyebrows)
Second point, he responded to Krypsyn's vote on him with a little more concern then.. well anyone else seemed to have for any vote so far. He was jokey but it definitely seemed like trying to find out what Krypsyn might have had on him.

And I think this might have been a genuine slip. He knows Krypsyn's not a cyborg because he is, so asks him if he is a mutant. The response to dedo's prod seems a bit desperate to me too.

Fourth point comes after my first suggestion he might be scum. His defence is quite impassioned and he also potentially pockets me by saying he thinks I'm town, both things I expect of scum and not so much from town.
He then reinforces this after I actually vote for him.

And everything since has been quite overly defensive, particularly considering he only has two votes and one of them is by the person currently closest to lynch.

Pretty sure a hacker won't end up being the lynch, so it's either a Townie or scum. If it's scum we're golden, but if it's Townie, despite it's generally bad for us, it leaves the scum with fewer good targets for conversion.

well, the lamist thing isn't an obvious thing unless you (dedo) are scum, then it's obvious for you that I'm not in your team at least, else it isn't obvious for anyone, so well worth pointing out. As for the "no omgus vote from me", that I left out. true.

as I said before, stating you are town is not something I view as particularly scummy. But since you do (you pointed out a sentence from me before in this game #142), I thought you should at least be fair and do it for everyone. Though in retrospect after having skimmed the whole thread I only found that adalia said he's human twice - nothing about being town, specifically.

uhm? how is that relevant at all?

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well, I do have one tidbit of thought about the setup that I wanna share: chances for a random lynch with 4 scum in 12 are 1 in 3 to hit scum which is a rather good chance (vs. the 1 in 8 we had last game)
and it get's even better when you think that 3 of the townies know each other and presumably won't be part of a lynch against one of their own so the chance of getting 7 votes for someone is even higher for scum and vanilla townies. Even highest for a vanilla townie I thought but since the other scum in a team might be eager to be on a train for his scumbuddy to deflect suspicion off himself in the analysis tomorrow it may even be the same: which would be 4 in 9 (so 45%) chance in hitting scum. So nolynch is definitly out of the question. of course lynching a mason is also possible without the other masons joining in but that would need 7/9 people voting whereas with vanilla and scum it's 7/11 (or 7/10 if both scum stay out which might be reasonable to assume, but not sure, one could be inclined to bus) (suicides disregarded)

before post refresh (dedo kinda ninja'd me, but I got more number and a longer paragraph saying it ;)

Well, I know my reasons for voting you, they're in my head. But ZFR, I dunno, I wasn't expecting him to vote you.

It seems you keep having format errors

quick correction it should of course be: As for the "no omgus vote from me", that I could have left out. true.


ftfy

Remind me never to use that url quick tag thing while making a post, I think that’s the reason why my posts keep coming glitched out. Wasn’t sure earlier, thought it might’ve been the url length before.

@mchack Thanks! Was waiting for a bump before making an ebwop.

had that problem too last game: hsl linked me a thread I have yet to read and don't have handy right now, but what helped me in the meantime was always leave a space between the url tags and the text (url] <this space and that > [/url)
and never have two links in the same line of text

Thanks for the tip! Somehow missed that discussion in last game. All hell broke loose after gog made changes to prevent people from embedding HTML inside their posts, must’ve been what HSL linked there.

I didn't say it was lamist, you did. I said you made sure we knew you didn't put an omgus back on. Not voting back (omgus or not) is obvious. Telling everyone you are not doing it is redundant. Marking it as lamist was your own doing.

Another thing I never said anything about. At no point I disliked you stating that you are Town (to be honest I didn't even register such a thing and now I probably have to go back and find what you're referring to). The only thing that I noted was you not voting back the person who voted and and letting everyone know you didn't do it. That's all. I wouldn't hold it against people claiming they are Town, it's only natural, regardless of their actual alignment.

I may be mistaken but I'm getting the impression our conversation is trying to change it's direction to something it was not about originally...

It's was just a story I felt like sharing at that moment.

I think it was a good story and very relevant

Is he the only one that talks a lot? If not, what differentiates him from the others?



I don't think I follow. Please elaborate. Especially in relation to my post #212 you kind of quoted.



While your secondary argument hasn't gone unnoticed, I have to ask - is there a way as town in this setup to actually know who is scum?


Did I say you should act all strange? I'm merely pointing out that the arguments in your post #218 are not exactly the sort that will clear you as town.


And neither is this one.


He kind of did early on, in a jokingly manner, but it went unnoticed.


That's not exactly what's giving me trouble.



[emphasis added]

I'm having some trouble reconciling the two bits I highlighted.

Up to that point, nobody had given any reads on players. How was mchack doing it helping him in not sticking out? If anything, I'd say it caused the exact opposite.


Would you say that it's still probably so even if one were a town PR?


Are you saying that:
(i) given the context of adaliabooks post #161, and
(ii) having taken into account it's D1,
that you thought adaliabooks may have been joking about placing a serious vote on mchack based on a gut feeling? And if so, you considered he may be joking about which part, his vote being a serious one, or the reasoning for it?


Seriously?


[emphasis added]

How so?



And quite ironic after what he did in that very same post, right before telling that story.



What exactly about it seems desperate to you?

And I'm still waiting for your answer to my question (post #200).


And speaking of Krypsyn - has anybody ISO'd him? He's gone the whole game so far without making a single comment on anything; all his posts are votes/unvotes and vote counts.