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Bookwyrm627: Lets take a look at your actual statement (with the stated word correction. Bold in mine)

When I read this, it looks to me like you're saying that I'm pointing at another role but I'm not claiming that role. I'll concede that my statement could be read as my pointing at the possibility of Cultist being a role in the game. My question is this: under what circumstances would I ever claim to be a Cultist on Day 1 during RVS?
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Sage103082: Bold where I said you claimed to be a cultist. I never did. I pointed out you mention the role but had not claimed it. Which is exactly what you concede to above.
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Sage, please read my post again. Especially the bolded part. I specifically said "you're saying that I'm pointing at another role but I'm not claiming that role". I didn't say anything like "Sage says I'm claiming to be cultist".

The implication from "Pointing to another role though no[t] claiming it yet" is that I might try to claim whatever role I'm pointing to. Maybe its just me, but the idea of me claiming cultist on Day 1 seems to require laughably absurd shenanigans, so I didn't consider that the role you might be referring to was 'cultist'. Thus my question about which role you thought I was referencing; I genuinely didn't know what role you would be driving at, because the only ones that spring to mind seem absurd to be in the setup in the first place.

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Dessimu: Yu scum?
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Dessimu: Hej. Hej! Look me in da eye. Yu scum or scum yu not?
Сука блять!

If that doesn't actually translate to "Bitch, I might be!", then I have no idea what I just said.

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cristigale: @Bookwyrm - Help me out here on the Leeroy Jenkins thing. He's an RPG character who goes charging into a battle...right? In your early posts, it reminded me of a red-neck sheriff (like Jackie Gleason's character in Smokey in the Bandit). Is that part of Leeroy Jenkins as well?

Was your vote on drealmer serious? If so, I concur with Gamma, that vote felt awkward.
Leeroy Jenkins is from a video of a WOW raid that goes horribly, horribly wrong because Leeroy just goes charging in and setting off all the monsters, quickly resulting in a TPK (total party kill). The connotation is somewhat analogous with "Hold my beer and watch this".

I have no idea what Smokey in the Bandit is, nor do I know who Jackie Gleason is. I assume they are not associated with Leeroy in any capacity. The accent was because it amused me.

You tell me. Do you think a vote for someone (within the first 40 posts) based on the votee saying "there are no donuts in the Zone" is a serious vote? Better question, can you say that vote is serious and still keep a straight face?

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cristigale: Oooh...ooh...ooh....pick me,,,,pick me (waves arm for attention)
On second thought, it's a smart-ass answer. (puts arm down)
I can appreciate a good smart-ass answer. And I'm pretty certain those are the only possible answers that aren't massively contrived.

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cristigale: But seriously, Bookwyrm, you seem to be baiting players with the Cult references. Which is fine to see who bites and how. But in this case, the conclusions you are drawing do not add up.

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Bookwyrm627: So there is no doubt:
Unvote Sage the Scum Leader.
Vote Drealmer the Cultist Boy.
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cristigale: This doesn't feel like town poking and prodding, it seems forced which feels scummy,

Vote Bookwyrm
You know what feels forced? Voting for someone because that person placed an RVS vote based on a statement about flavor. You know what this reminds me of? This post. Specifically "However, scum-me on this day, would have found a reason earlier to suspect someone"

Unvote Drealmer.
Vote Cristigale.

If I hadn't added the surety of specifically unvoting Drealmer, would the generic unvote have removed my vote. It was in a question to the mod, but it was bolded. I didn't know, so I removed any room for doubt about my vote placement by making sure to do it in an acceptable way.

In any event, I've placed my first serious vote of the Day.

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Lets nip this cultist boop in the bud.

If you think there might possibly be a cult in play, then I want you to take a quick look at the game setup. There are 9 players, a confirmed Clear Sky faction, and a confirmed Monolith faction. The question of third parties is left open.

Now for a bit of abductive(?) reasoning. Lets pretend there is a cult in addition to the Clear Sky and Monolith factions. This means that at least 2 players are confirmed non-town (1 for each non-town faction, so the faction can exist). The mafia likely has more than one player, or they are just an SK (theoretically possible). The cult almost certainly doesn't have more than one player, or the game ends way too fast and town never had a chance. Town's boop is booped in the boop if there are already three hostile players with a chance to convert new players to hostile; if a townie gets lynched D1 in this environment, then they've basically already lost parity with the non-town factions (mafia NK and/or cult conversion occurring over night). Think about that for a moment, that town has to lynch right from Day 1 to be able to maintain their primary advantage.

About the only possible argument you could make for a cult existing is if the Monolith faction is that cult, which means there is no mafia faction and we can (probably) win this thing right the boop now if we lynch right. There might not even be any neutrals in this scenario.

You want to know why I said 'cultist'? A few reasons:
1) The Monolith sounds like a quasi-religious group that is enthrall to a specific person/thing/idea.
Google spits out a few definitions of a "Cult":
-a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
-a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
-a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Which definition do you think applies to the Monolith faction? You can even pick more than one!

2) It goes with the Warhammer 40k lore that this flavor reminded me of. There are loyalist space marines and traitor (chaos) space marines. Cultists are part of the traitor legions and general forces of Chaos.

3) Fitting (1) and (2) together yields "chaos loving cultist receiving whispers from the monolith"

4) It amused me to do so.

5) Old Man Henderson is awesome.
MUCKLE DARMED CULTISTS! 'AIR YOU NAMBLIES KEEPIN' ME WEE MEN?!?
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Sage103082: Bold where I said you claimed to be a cultist. I never did. I pointed out you mention the role but had not claimed it. Which is exactly what you concede to above.
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Bookwyrm627: ...

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Sage, please read my post again. Especially the bolded part. I specifically said "you're saying that I'm pointing at another role but I'm not claiming that role". I didn't say anything like "Sage says I'm claiming to be cultist".

The implication from "Pointing to another role though no[t] claiming it yet" is that I might try to claim whatever role I'm pointing to. Maybe its just me, but the idea of me claiming cultist on Day 1 seems to require laughably absurd shenanigans, so I didn't consider that the role you might be referring to was 'cultist'. Thus my question about which role you thought I was referencing; I genuinely didn't know what role you would be driving at, because the only ones that spring to mind seem absurd to be in the setup in the first place.


5) Old Man Henderson is awesome.
Thank you for explaining how you meant it. When I read it I took it as I replied. My beef was with you throwing the cultist role.

and I had to google Old Man Henderson - The legend of Old Man Henderson is a crazy-ass tale about a player who accidentally figured out how to "win" at Call of Cthulhu (only it was really Trail of Cthulhu).
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Dessimu: Yu scum?
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Bookwyrm627: Сука блять, I might be!"
Noted.

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drealmer7:
Dat Book-man has used yu and think he pinned wan of those Monolith lunatics. But he use yu. Why he use yu? Yu scum?

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cristigale:
Cristigale, dear... Dat Book-man think yu slip and fall in da trap. All yu did though, was say dat his chain of thoughts do not add up and is a scheme. Or do yu protekt Drealmer? Yu scum?
Jelly donut to the first scum who reveals himself.

The rules only talk about betting, not bribes!
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RWarehall: Jelly donut to the first scum who reveals himself.

The rules only talk about betting, not bribes!
We should update that rule to: "Bribes are only allowed when the mod is bribed too. With an equal offer, at least."
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RWarehall: Jelly donut to the first scum who reveals himself.

The rules only talk about betting, not bribes!
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Lifthrasil: We should update that rule to: "Bribes are only allowed when the mod is bribed too. With an equal offer, at least."
Jelly?
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Dessimu: yu
/hands Dess a book on pronunciation and a dictionary.
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RWarehall: *poke*
Since this is apparently your "on" day here, mind talking about the game a little bit?
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Dessimu: yu
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Sage103082: /hands Dess a book on pronunciation and a dictionary.
Ever tried writing in Russian accent in English? I still have no idea how to do it.

Yu loyalist?
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drealmer7: I'm not sure whether to take that as a "no, we're not out of RVS" response or not~! was the last stalker game a cult game?! from the sample PMs here it doesn't sound like a cult game - unless you know something I don't know
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Bookwyrm627: I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise. Go read the game and you'll find out!
how unhelpful, are you trying to help us solve the game or hinder us?
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Sage103082: I said you are mentioning another role. You didn't claim the role but brought it. up. Cultist.
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Bookwyrm627: Lets take a look at your actual statement (with the stated word correction. Bold in mine)
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Sage103082: Pointing to another role though no claiming it yet. Is there a reason you would refer to a cultist specifically?
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Bookwyrm627: When I read this, it looks to me like you're saying that I'm pointing at another role but I'm not claiming that role. I'll concede that my statement could be read as my pointing at the possibility of Cultist being a role in the game. My question is this: under what circumstances would I ever claim to be a Cultist on Day 1 during RVS?
what I took it to mean was that your mentionings of the role aren't in a capacity to crumb/softclaim them (obviously, since it is a cultist, you wouldn't be claiming/pretending to claim it), as they are often are - she was merely pointing out that your mentioning of the cultist role wasn't like your other times doing it

everything else around this is simply to gauge how you react/respond to inquiries having to do with 'cultist', because YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP - and I think it is a bit odd that your brain went to 'cultist' at all, I wasn't thinking cults for this game (no specific reason to rule it out, it's just not where my mind was), it could be a scumslip even, you being a cultist and so using that term as you go about scum-painting others

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drealmer7: and you vote me after having just shown your true self
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Bookwyrm627: Oh really?
first of all, poor time selection there

FAIL

second, that is not a real response at all and is just an evasion, just because something is wifomy doesn't mean you shouldn't address it, I mean, that is where the game really gets sorted, on whose WIFOM is actual truth that can just be seen as WIFOM and who is just trying to come up with BS, and this is wyrm coming up with BS

I would vote wyrm now if this were real-time but am doing full catchup first...

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trentonlf: Pressure is a slow build, the more that is applied the better it is but it takes time to get there.
ok well if pressure on me is your goal you probably want to actually apply some in the form of a push on me/trying to rally votes on me because your simple *vote for pressure* vote is not even tickling my bits in the slightest

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Sage103082: (I posted this and some black hole ate it so I am posting again but I refreshed and waited time to make sure not to double post)

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Bookwyrm627: Lets take a look at your actual statement (with the stated word correction. Bold in mine)

When I read this, it looks to me like you're saying that I'm pointing at another role but I'm not claiming that role. I'll concede that my statement could be read as my pointing at the possibility of Cultist being a role in the game. My question is this: under what circumstances would I ever claim to be a Cultist on Day 1 during RVS?
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Sage103082: Bold where I said you claimed to be a cultist. I never did. I pointed out you mention the role but had not claimed it. Which is exactly what you concede to above.
right, like, I dunno what wyrm is trying to do with all that with sage except try and make her look scummy OUT OF NOTHING, some bad twisting/reaching to try and make something look bad when it really doesn't at all

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Bookwyrm627:
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Dessimu: Yu scum?
that's all you've got?

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drealmer7: *watches wyrm and sage's little back and forth* - I think wyrm is squirming, but either way, yeah, wrym, I'd be going at you about it too, I hate your subtle claimcrumbing and that you used word cultist is odd as FFF (unless the other STALKER game had cult?) I don't think there'd be regular factional scum+cult in a 9p, btw
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cristigale: Lift's original Stalker game did not include a cult. The Stalker game had 15 players: 10 loyalists, 4 monolith and 1 NS.
I don't know what's up with the cult references. I see no reason to think we have a cult in this game.
hey, thanks! that is helpful!

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Bookwyrm627: ...
under what circumstances would I ever claim to be a Cultist on Day 1 during RVS?
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cristigale: Oooh...ooh...ooh....pick me,,,,pick me (waves arm for attention)
On second thought, it's a smart-ass answer. (puts arm down)

But seriously, Bookwyrm, you seem to be baiting players with the Cult references. Which is fine to see who bites and how. But in this case, the conclusions you are drawing do not add up.

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Bookwyrm627: So there is no doubt:
Unvote Sage the Scum Leader.
Vote Drealmer the Cultist Boy.
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cristigale: This doesn't feel like town poking and prodding, it seems forced which feels scummy,

Vote Bookwyrm
right on, all of this ^

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trentonlf: I am not sure that bookwyrm is who's skull we need to look into. I've gone back over his posts and I see nothing out of sorts and the scrutiny he is getting puzzles me.
hmmm, this ^ puzzles me

pings for trent!, gimme some more so I can townreadyou!

holy shit bookwyrm's post 61 just looks like a shitload of backpeddling and reaching to explain himself SO GD HARD, and I'm not buying any of it, especially the response to cristi about his vote on me "not being serious" (and tries to paint it like he joke voted me for my joke about donuts...which was not at all what it was/he did when he initially cast it as far as I see) - yet when Lift posted the VC it was not ACTUALLY COUNTED as a vote on me and he later MAKES SURE to get the vote cast on me, at which point it is DEFINITELY a serious vote on me, he's clearly (with both 'votes') trying to make sure the wagon on me gets going, and there's more attempts to backpaddle the whole picture (unpaint the picture he's painted? paint over it?) with an actual unvote of me and a vote on crist (OMGUS because you nailed me and voted me vote, it looks!) - and then a whole bunch "let me explain why I used cultist!!!" explaining away, to me reads like an absolute and total scumslip and that we are actually dealing with a cult (maybe even just 1???? in a 9player it is hard to imagine how cult would work very well) / wyrm being cult

despite whether he is cultist or not, I've got a huge SR on him now and really want to vote him but I will wait until the end of my catch-up...

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Bookwyrm627: Сука блять, I might be!"
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Dessimu: Noted.

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drealmer7:
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Dessimu: Dat Book-man has used yu and think he pinned wan of those Monolith lunatics. But he use yu. Why he use yu? Yu scum?

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cristigale:
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Dessimu: Cristigale, dear... Dat Book-man think yu slip and fall in da trap. All yu did though, was say dat his chain of thoughts do not add up and is a scheme. Or do yu protekt Drealmer? Yu scum?
ohmy dear, dessimu, I think the radiation has gotten to your brain

oh hey look, all done!

vote bookwyrm
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RWarehall: *poke*
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Bookwyrm627: Since this is apparently your "on" day here, mind talking about the game a little bit?
Okay, we have a bunch of hidden enemies trying to blend in. I have no clue yet who they are. If I have leads they are not solid enough to share yet. And I will confirm I am not a Cultist nor a Cult Leader.

Jelly?
Nobody tell flubbucket, but up until now for some reason I believed he is in this game and already wanted to vote him for extreme lurking.
I'm going to get lynched Day 1 again for saying something stupid. I don't think I'm going to be able to keep my sarcastic mouth in check, and it is going to get me killed. I can feel it, and my Magic 8-ball confirmed it.

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cristigale: Oooh...ooh...ooh....pick me,,,,pick me (waves arm for attention)
On second thought, it's a smart-ass answer. (puts arm down)

But seriously, Bookwyrm, you seem to be baiting players with the Cult references. Which is fine to see who bites and how. But in this case, the conclusions you are drawing do not add up.

This doesn't feel like town poking and prodding, it seems forced which feels scummy,

Vote Bookwyrm
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drealmer7: right on, all of this ^
So, what was actually worth poking or prodding prior to post 38?

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drealmer7: especially the response to cristi about his vote on me "not being serious" (and tries to paint it like he joke voted me for my joke about donuts...which was not at all what it was/he did when he initially cast it as far as I see)
Alright, I'll bite. If I didn't vote you for donuts, then why did I (try to) vote you?
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Lifthrasil: We should update that rule to: "Bribes are only allowed when the mod is bribed too. With an equal offer, at least."
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RWarehall: Jelly?
Don'(u)t !