This is a good question, and no need to discuss any roles.

I think Cult Leader is a fun role on its own. But to really be awesome, it must fit the game's design and flavor. In this game it looks like there is a mashup of different possible roles and Cult Leader is rather game-breaking. It's bad for Town and I think players in here are aware of that. I myself have not bid on Cult Leader.

Poetic yet a bit harsh. In other words, hard game when having such restriction. And absolutely not helpful to see you dead now. Whatever happened, I hope there was a reason behind.



I just came back home, am tired as hell and will pick this up tomorrow after a good night sleep. To avoid any confusions in the meantime:

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RVS is long over and things have gotten rather serious.

You made the scouting analogy earlier but the metaphor doesn't hold. A scout is trying to fill a specific role on an existing team (in sports or business, etc.), and usually with an existing leader with a particularly strategy/style.

Scouting may tell you something about two players, but they're looking for both absolute ability across a range of variables, as well as that question of fit with the team the player would join. A slower, taller receiver might be better than a short, fast one for a given team, or v-v.

Here there's no known system and no coordination. I can't definitively say that A is better than B for town because I have no idea what others will pick and ultimately the value is, at least to a significant extent, in how they synergize, and that part was always going to be a crapshoot. If I take the "towniest" role in the first slot, I raise the odds of a teammate down the line trying for the same and missing. Might be a good risk, might not. No way to know without being a mindreader.

I could also play defense and take a particularly advantageous scum role off the table, but hindering my own ability in the process. Great if I draw scum into a vanilla role, but a waste if I don't.

My decision was to choose interesting roles to a final pool, throwing out most which I deemed undesirable or suboptimal (whether as offense or defense I don't really see a need to dig into at this point), and then roll the dice amongst that small subset. Whether or not you approve of my strategy, I will say that I find the outcome worked quite well. No regrets.


You...do know at some point I'm going to turn that question around on you, right?

That I'm a cult leader? Shirley you cannot be serious.

Besides, I'm 99% positive yogs has proof I'm not CL. Whether he will confirm it or not is an open question.

Had guests from out of town. Catching up.

Wow...

No reason to doubt Drealmer's restriction. He didn't seem to double post or break any rule to be publicly punished by flub so the most logical assumption is that the restriction was player induced. Even though the ability my prize gives me is quite powerful I have a reason to believe the restriction wasn't prize generated which leaves the Mystery role as the only source that makes sense.

I don't see how restricting Drealmer meant to frame bler, though.

@bler, would you mind explaining that a bit for me, please? Also, I don't seem to get why yog is scum (me/cristi/dessimu could be one because we won those prizes and I see how that can be connected to the restriction on drealmer). I'm quite tired so I may be asking for stuff that I already read but didn't process, so even a link with a couple of words would be enough.

I didn't consider nor try to pick cult leader.

I will happily explain what I know as soon as yogs comes clean on why he asked "the riddle" in the first place.

His vote on me as soon as the day launched for real was because "That thing you know. I would like to know it." His question about my selection strategy came much later, and is not directly related, nor does it seem to be part of his justification for his initial vote.

The riddle, in essence, is "How does he know something about me and yet still need to fish for it?" And there is a very good answer.

As for why he felt the need to fish for it right out of the gate, that I was inclined to write off at first to pissiness, but now I think there's a bit more there. The restriction on Drealmer was the clincher.

So how is it relevant to the post restrictoin question? I'll give him a bit more time to come clean on his own so he can frame it how he likes.

So please, ask yogs what he meant when he first cast his vote, and we'll go from there, whether he answers or not. Trent will probably be unhappy with it either way, but I'll note I definitely didn't start this. I had no intent of having a _____ discussion out of the gate, but yogs apparently had other inclinations.

I figured it's based on the riddle and as far as I can see there are 2 obvious way to interpret it. On a general level I have to agree that trying to ferret out whatever related information out in the open is probably more anti-town than not but I can also see how it could be the other way around under more specific circumstances. The difference between the two of you and the rest of us is that we don't have the context you do.

Indeed. The hard spot for me is that I didn't pick the fight, and it's not particularly pro-town to use all the ammo I have. Bit of a bind.

But when Drealmer flipped town I was positive I'd walked into a trap and had to play at least some preventative defense. That said, I can't prove he's scum even with everything I do know, but I think others would find his movements more curious at least. Would hypothetically wager a dollar on him being mafia, if we were allowed to wager ;)

If he's not mafia, he's making anti-town moves and then lecturing me on my selection strategies just to be a dick. Which I suppose, is apropos for the setting.



The last vote count looks like my vote is on Wyrm somehow? Not sure how that happened. In any case, for now
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I believe the restriction came from a role. It could be from a prize, but I agree with dedo, my prize would not lead me to believe it was prize. I lean toward the mystery role, I can imagine that role having some unusual powers. Flubb mentioned that some roles would have " Super Secret Secret Stuff only revealed to player possessing the role." From that, it could be other roles. Flubb also mentioned that there would be triggered events, I'm not sure what would have triggered drealmer's restriction.

@yogs and bler - thanks for the clarification, I didn't pay close attention after all the name/sex jokes started. ;-)

What took you so long?

What? I didn't follow that.

What the fuck happened here?!

I am off to bed now but I guess I will have to slap someone tomorrow.
Random person probably.

I agree that a player hit Drealmer, and while Mystery Role and Prize are my first thoughts for the source of the power, don't forget something else Flub said: "PLEASE BE ADVISED: Some roles will have Night Zero Actions and some will have Super Secret Secret Stuff only revealed to player possessing the role."

While my role doesn't have any of this Super Secret Secret Stuff, that just means I didn't get a role that had it.

Edit before post: And I see Cristi beat me to this. :(

If it happened, it happened like this. I'd guess you were giving me a hard time for my opening vote.

...Maybe....
Yeah....

Discipline. :p

Surprise BUTTSEX. Wait, no! I'm fairly certain people are arrested for that.

Fine. Fine. I'm still in my proto stages of becoming a playboy. But fear not! Soon I shall evolve.