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ZFR: ...

How did you know I wasn't?
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JoeSapphire: You were used sarcasm to avoid answering. Whether that's technically true or not, it's not an honest way of engaging with the question.
...

You're right. :(
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JoeSapphire: You were used sarcasm to avoid answering. Whether that's technically true or not, it's not an honest way of engaging with the question.
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ZFR: ...

You're right. :(
so your
honest answer?
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PookaMustard: Oooookay so Joe nominated Scene. I realized that Scene is also the next president. I have a good feeling both of them are liberal, but do we trust Scene that much to have him report two card draws in a row? I don't think so myself.

You know what I'm thinking? Vote this government in, skip scene's government. See what Cadaver does and vote accordingly. I think it's a fair course of action.
You're correct, you totally can not trust me. However if I play the 4th Liberal policy and you have the chance I can possibly play the 5th one, it's probably worth it, unless you are in fact fascist

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PookaMustard: I have a good feeling both of them are liberal, but do we trust Scene that much to have him report two card draws in a row? I don't think so myself.
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JoeSapphire: Why is reporting two cards in a row different to having a goverment in between?

Does the reshuffle after this government make a difference?

(Is it advantageous to be the president after a reshuffle?)
No it is not because you are unlikely to get a liberal policy card. If we pass the 4th Liberal policy we would have 2 Liberal policies in the new deck and 10 fascist policies in the deck.

So within the 2 government after the 4th policy is passed after a reshuffle 50% of the time will show up as FFF FFF. Essentially unless you are somewhat lucky, you don't even get the chance to pass a Liberal policy
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supplementscene: Should he be disqualified from investigating our most Liberal players who IMO are ZFR and Dedo?
If I understand the rules I've already been investigated and am off the menu from anyway.
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ZFR: ...

You're right. :(
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JoeSapphire: so your
honest answer?
Honestly: your question is unnecessary. What did you expect if I really were fascist? "Yes, you caught me?"
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JoeSapphire: so your
honest answer?
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ZFR: Honestly: your question is unnecessary. What did you expect if I really were fascist? "Yes, you caught me?"
I'd kinda like you to try and lie to me and feel too bad about it to do it well so just come clean and join the good guys team.
Can you honestly answer my question?

What did you expect?
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ZFR: Can you honestly answer my question?

What did you expect?
Does this convo want to make you skip Joe's Presidency to mine?

Because in the 10% chance of an FFF draw (assuming no one dropped) I would like to have the investigation and in turn would like it if any one conflicts me.
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ZFR: Can you honestly answer my question?

What did you expect?
It's the honest truth I'm afraid.

You seem confident, which makes me unsure, and I've done what you told me to do, so if you're manipulating me into defeat the very least I can do is force you to lie to my face and make you feel bad about it.

But, there's always the chance that you love me too much to lie, and so we'll see the first instance in gog mafia history where a scum has been turned on the pure charm of one player alone.

There's still that chance.
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supplementscene: Does this convo want to make you skip Joe's Presidency to mine?

Because in the 10% chance of an FFF draw (assuming no one dropped) I would like to have the investigation and in turn would like it if any one conflicts me.
Do you find my convo scummy or are you just thinking ZFR does?

Pass an L policy for me and you'll get a much better chance of getting the investigation when you preside over a reshuffle government.
I've changed my vote from JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA to nooooooooooooo. 2 reasons, the Joe attack on ZFR maybe jokey but it maybe a prelude to a fascist investigating someone I think is Liberal as Fascist. This reduces Liberal winrate assuming those roles and intentions

Second reason is a selfish one. If Joes government does not pass, I get to be President. Otherwise we top deck, which I do not think anyone wants to happen. It means I either pass a Liberal policy or get to investigate someone. I will agree with everyone in the game who this may be. I would rather I get this over Joe.

I'm even open to having other players pick my chancellor. I'd rather pick between ZFR and Dedo but if they don't want to be touched I can pick someone from the next 3 Presidential candidates.

I realise this is unfair to Joe, sorry Joe if your gov doesn't pass and you hate me forever.
huh
Oh this can't be good
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JoeSapphire: Why is reporting two cards in a row different to having a goverment in between?
Easy peasy. It's the "power play" thing. Scene gets to be chancellor, then IMMEDIATELY gets to be president. Both president and chancellor are normally term-locked for the chancellor, but the chancellor can be president if they're next on the table.



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supplementscene: You're correct, you totally can not trust me. However if I play the 4th Liberal policy and you have the chance I can possibly play the 5th one, it's probably worth it, unless you are in fact fascist
You know, you do have a point there. Except after this government's draws, the entire deck will be reset. Your odds of getting a FFF are high. Your odds of claiming FFF even when it's not true is also likely, and ultimately if you're a fascist you're forced to do it. I guess I would agree with you, except I see in your latest post that you voted down this government so maybe you've already given up on this idea.
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JoeSapphire: Why is reporting two cards in a row different to having a goverment in between?
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PookaMustard: Easy peasy. It's the "power play" thing. Scene gets to be chancellor, then IMMEDIATELY gets to be president. Both president and chancellor are normally term-locked for the chancellor, but the chancellor can be president if they're next on the table.
but isn't it common practice to skip to a president that just got tested as chancellor?