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Paraharaha: Scythe received update v1.7.06_(45686).
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Gersen: I would say technically it's not a DRM as you can still play offline if you click on cancel, but it's an annoying nagging screen that they definitely needs to fix. Do you know how often it happens ?
It happened after two minutes in an new game (that i opened for testing & also generating the screenshots). I will play further on during this weekend & can answer your question after that).

& yes, i agree: i ain´t insist that this threatment is drm - but at least it´s a disgusting behaviour towards your customers.
I just wanted to let people know (& did honestly not know where to place this information) & i also let asmodee know on steam community hub that imo this is disgusting. Gog should also have checked this version before roll it out and should have requested to patch this out.
Post edited April 08, 2021 by Paraharaha
It is definitely anti-customer and needs to be fixed. But as long as you can play the single-player game offline without loss of content, I would agree that it is not DRM. It's just a*hole behavior from the devs to include a nag-screen.
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Hello,

before further reading (& thank you if you do so) i would like to tell you, that i am proceeding with this topic in Scythe subforums as i am not convinced that it belongs to this very thread. So i give you an summary below where i am standing with this right now and after this (last) entry of mine i will go ahead in scythe subforum.

Gog support answered very fast yesterday:

"for all gameplay and in-game related events, gog can only recommend you to reach the game's official support, since only they can approach such questions. You can reach them at:
https://asmodee.helpshift.com/a/scythe-digital-edition/?p=all"

As i am not pleased as a customer to do gogs job (& i kindly told them so) but being well aware, that this is common sense for goglodytes & i partially agree that they can not do much about it...i opened a ticket at asmodee today.

On steam community hub so far (not that surprising...) no answer - but i will trigger them 1-2 times by bumping that discussion. :-)

I played today a couple of hours offline & also online for determine which version might cause these blend-ins.
Each testing scenario i started a new game or restarted the whole game client, to assure that i have a fresh session.

v1.7.06 is defintely blend in these messages. I could not reproduce this while playing without galaxy and also being offline by de-activating my online connection. Once you are online these messages occure for sure. Not that much in quantity, but nonetheless on various stages of gameplay. So once you press the "x" button won´t make them disappear for good & forever...they still will appear.

v1.7.04 & v1.6.85: i was not able to reproduce this behaviour. Maybe this "feature" is not integrated or it may have not been occuring for my sessions.

As you do not know me as a person i will give you that much of an pov: normally i am calm & collected towards this "kind" of customer-hostile in-game advertising for data collecting etc.. I also understand that this account seems to be necessary to play online. But the implentation is just awful - this could have been done way better.

I sort of "accept" ads eq. in Deponia, cause they are "only" shown as small windows in the menu section of the game. BUT: i am a person, who doesn't compromise on the immersion of a game. & if during a game someone asks me - by blending in a fcking pop screen - to register (in an offline game!) i get mildly sour, because they partially ruin my gaming experience. That´s why i am raising my voice. If i want blend-ins during a game, i play on my tablet or phone some free app games. If i pay for an game that supports offline -> stay out of my screen!

Also i am not satisfied as a customer (i told Gog support this also kindly) that their quality management seemed not to have tested this version - if they had, they may recognized this and could have get in contact to asmodee; just because they may could anticipate that some customer is not too pleased with this. I don´t say this in any offense towards gog - it´s just my pov.

If someone is offended by my opinions or has other arguments on that, i´ll accept this kindly without any complains. I agree that people are different, therefore feel free to discuss/critizise this. No problem for me.

Nonetheless, i will stay to my opinions as given - & this is how i will proceed for talking to asmodee support - regardless of whether they ultimately remove this function or not (i doubt that they will).

So i stop this topic here for good (as i agree that this no drm). I will keep posting on Scythe subforum.

Thank you for your attention.
Post edited April 10, 2021 by Paraharaha
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Paraharaha: if during a game someone asks me - by blending in a fcking pop screen - to register (in an offline game!) i get mildly sour, because they partially ruin my gaming experience.
I completely agree. They are free to offer options like that on menu screens, but when I'm playing I don't want to see any of that. Also no "reminders" of what DLC I'm missing and the likes.
Hi people, I have a question for you, Battletech Shadow Hawk Pack still has DRM on it? I read some reviews about you have to log on Paradox Forum even if you purchased the DLC.
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KetobaK: Hi people, I have a question for you, Battletech Shadow Hawk Pack still has DRM on it? I read some reviews about you have to log on Paradox Forum even if you purchased the DLC.
Actually I don't know. That would be worse than just cosmetics. I'll ask in the Battletech forum.

@all: or if someone, who has the game and the DLC, can verify whether a Paradox account is required, please do so.
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KetobaK: Hi people, I have a question for you, Battletech Shadow Hawk Pack still has DRM on it? I read some reviews about you have to log on Paradox Forum even if you purchased the DLC.
I just checked. The product page of the DLC states, that you have to accept the EULA to use it, which in turn states, that you may be required to create a paradox account to use it.

However, it is a purely cosmetic DLC, so the warning that Battletech has DRM-ed cosmetics is still correct.
Post edited April 23, 2021 by Lifthrasil
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KetobaK: Hi people, I have a question for you, Battletech Shadow Hawk Pack still has DRM on it? I read some reviews about you have to log on Paradox Forum even if you purchased the DLC.
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Lifthrasil: Actually I don't know. That would be worse than just cosmetics. I'll ask in the Battletech forum.

@all: or if someone, who has the game and the DLC, can verify whether a Paradox account is required, please do so.
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KetobaK: Hi people, I have a question for you, Battletech Shadow Hawk Pack still has DRM on it? I read some reviews about you have to log on Paradox Forum even if you purchased the DLC.
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Lifthrasil: I just checked. The product page of the DLC states, that you have to accept the EULA to use it, which in turn states, that you may be required to create a paradox account to use it.

However, it is a purely cosmetic DLC, so the warning that Battletech has DRM-ed cosmetics is still correct.
Thanks for your help Lifthrasil!!!! :)
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Lifthrasil: I just checked. The product page of the DLC states, that you have to accept the EULA to use it, which in turn states, that you may be required to create a paradox account to use it.
That doesn't really mean a lot. I believe all Paradox games have the same statement and the same EULA (e.g. Europa Universalis, Stellaris, Hearts of Iron, Imperator, etc., etc.).
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Lifthrasil: I just checked. The product page of the DLC states, that you have to accept the EULA to use it, which in turn states, that you may be required to create a paradox account to use it.
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mrkgnao: That doesn't really mean a lot. I believe all Paradox games have the same statement and the same EULA (e.g. Europa Universalis, Stellaris, Hearts of Iron, Imperator, etc., etc.).
Yes, but it doesn't matter whether a registration is necessary for this cosmetic DLC or 'just' for cosmetics in the main game. Battletech remains DRM-ed, cosmetically.
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mrkgnao: FWIW, I recommend against it, it will fill your list with tens of games (I have 49 games with CD-keys in my library) and hide the "real" culprits. People will enter the thread, see all these CD-key games, and leave with the impression that you are just a fanatic and that there are really no DRM games on GOG.
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clarry: How about best of both worlds and split it into two lists then? Letting people actually decide which forms of DRM they are bothered by is a huge breath of fresh air compared to the long standing status quo which is either GOG or fanatical GOG apologists going "I don't care about multiplayer, therefore it's not DRM!" or "you have to be online to play multiplayer, therefore it's not DRM!" or "you can play the game, therefore there's no DRM!!" or "GOG said it's only about single player, therefore it's DRM free!"

EDIT: But I agree that if CD-keys are relevant to multiplayer only, then it should be in that multiplayer thread.
TBH i think a wiki or something would be more relevant, though they tend to end up dead and out of date from my experience (my guess is that most people don't like the wiki editing format). Such a setup would allow people to specify how the DRM affects the game, so people can pick and choose how important it is to them based on their own preferences.
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kohlrak: TBH i think a wiki or something would be more relevant, though they tend to end up dead and out of date from my experience (my guess is that most people don't like the wiki editing format). Such a setup would allow people to specify how the DRM affects the game, so people can pick and choose how important it is to them based on their own preferences.
Preferences about DRM on GOG... *sigh*
Should be very clear and simple. In all honesty, GOG never promised DRM-free multiplayer and even some of the games it started out with required CD keys for it, so DRM-ed multiplayer should be noted for those who care for it, but it's not in itself a failure to uphold the last remaining value. But anything that affects the singleplayer in any way whatsoever is.
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Cavalary: In all honesty, GOG never promised DRM-free multiplayer
I don't see where GOG specified only DRM-free single player. The home page and about page just say DRM-free. I really don't think it's that unreasonable to expect DRM-free multiplayer.
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Cavalary: In all honesty, GOG never promised DRM-free multiplayer
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Blastprocessor42: I don't see where GOG specified only DRM-free single player. The home page and about page just say DRM-free. I really don't think it's that unreasonable to expect DRM-free multiplayer.
Fair point that it doesn't say it, but that's how it's been all along, though before Galaxy DRM-ed multiplayer meant a CD key that you just had to check your library for in case of the handful of games that required it. Now it often means no difference between GOG and the other platforms.
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Blastprocessor42: I don't see where GOG specified only DRM-free single player. The home page and about page just say DRM-free. I really don't think it's that unreasonable to expect DRM-free multiplayer.
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Cavalary: Fair point that it doesn't say it, but that's how it's been all along, though before Galaxy DRM-ed multiplayer meant a CD key that you just had to check your library for in case of the handful of games that required it. Now it often means no difference between GOG and the other platforms.
And it's a breach of the 'Galaxy always 100% optional' promise. But that's not news. For multiplayer, this promise has been broken long ago. I just swallowed that, because I hardly play any multiplayer.
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Cavalary: In all honesty, GOG never promised DRM-free multiplayer
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Blastprocessor42: I don't see where GOG specified only DRM-free single player. The home page and about page just say DRM-free. I really don't think it's that unreasonable to expect DRM-free multiplayer.
I disagree, actually. For older games, your CD key was often how you managed bans from private servers. A CD-key being also how you prevent someone DDoSing a multiplayer server by logging in with multiple copies of a client just to prevent people from locking the lobby to 1 team or something. Obviously, this should've been limited to such technical specification, however. No reason why a game currently in development needs to use these client APIs instead of allowing direct connection. It's not like devs don't use direct IPs and such when actually learning how to make games.