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Posted December 26, 2020
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Turbo-Beaver: There must have been more, I just only have this one screenshot. The question is of course how many of them were even gamers, how many would have purchased Cyberpunk 2077, as opposed to pirating it, and how many would have changed their decision to purchase the game had Devotion been released. In short, was the threat credible, or did the "Polish Stupid Ass" just get cold feet? Either way, it just wasn't a very smart move to promote Devotion's release in China like this.
Either way, I have a feeling that a good number of them might not have bought the game regardless.
(just like the same types who complain on our social media, and then a game or piece of media gets changed & they don't buy it anyways)
Posted December 26, 2020
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dycaite: Fair enough, I can see why that would be annoying. But that's certainly not all of us. I'm here complaining to GOG because this is an instance in which they can make a difference. And because it was their cowardice that caused the game to be pulled in the first place. Of course I am worried about the Chinese government interfering with other facets of our lives, but I am here for a specific reason and that's what I am focusing on right now.
well, releasing a game or not won't free the political prisoners in china, or will help fix the hong kong situation, or will give closure to the uyghur problem, or will make china recognize tibet and taiwan are territories that actually exist in real life.

it will only allow a small taiwanese company to sell their game online.

you use strong words though. the chinese already control a lot of our lives, given that everything we have is made by them. but i do wonder why so many of you are so selective in the spying worry. i mean, the americanshave been spying on us since time immemorial, this time the spies just speak mandarin. and no, america being for "freedom" does not make it any better, as any country who was manipulated by the usa can tell you in great detail
Posted December 26, 2020
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USERNAME:dycaite#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:45#Q&_^Q&Q#Fair enough, I can see why that would be annoying. But that's certainly not all of us. I'm here complaining to GOG because this is an instance in which they can make a difference. And because it was their cowardice that caused the game to be pulled in the first place. Of course I am worried about the Chinese government interfering with other facets of our lives, but I am here for a specific reason and that's what I am focusing on right now.#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:45#Q&_^Q&Q#
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I know it won't, but I'm not going to come here and broadly complain about the Chinese government when GOG can't do anything about it, generally speaking. They CAN bring back Devotion, which would be a good start in ensuring that situations like this are pushed back on in the future.

I'm here to complain about a specific choice made by GOG, which I believe they are able to reverse. Broadening my complaints to be about the Chinese government in general would a) dilute our efforts to actually get the game back and have any real, tangible impact, and b) be something of a waste of breath considering who/where I am complaining to/at.
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Posted December 26, 2020
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GamezRanker: I'd like it DRM free, though, to be able to back it up for long term future availability.

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GamezRanker: Musing: complaining(generally speaking) has some good effects. It can allow one to vent their stress and anger in a better(comparatively speaking) manner, it can bring the issue to light for others, etc.

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GamezRanker: Tbh even if the game was trash(bug fest, etc) i'd still be somewhat upset....it's the principle of the thing.

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GamezRanker: So what if they put some content in the game to take a jab at the CCP? That's much better than bending the knee, which is what most companies(gaming, etc) seem to do.
you know, at the end of the day, i still have the question that nobody seems to want to answer

if you dislike it so much, why don't you leave? why don't you stop gaming? if the situation makes you so angry, why don't you just quit, and stop giving money, time and attention to an industry that's corrupt, in your opinion? anything tech related was made in china at this point. by gaming, you are supporting china. there's no way around it. it's not like you need games to survive.
Posted December 26, 2020
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So because the complaints won't make any major change happen, they shouldn't be done and/or are pointless?

"Every grand journey begins with but a small step"

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It's a start

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Maybe for some of the same reasons why you don't seem to like/agree with "forum complaining" much, yet you still post to the forums and read the posts here.

Also, what you are asking is like asking someone with say 100 dollars who just gave 5 to charity "Why do you just donate 5 bucks to charity, and not the whole 100 dollars?"

It's the thought and the effort that counts more....even if each individual's "contribution" is small, if enough do the same thing it can be substantial when put together as a whole.
Post edited December 26, 2020 by GamezRanker
Posted December 26, 2020
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Because that would be the cowardly way out and I am not like GOG. We must make our voices heard on this or things will only get worse.
Post edited December 26, 2020 by dycaite
Posted December 27, 2020
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GamezRanker: So because the complaints won't make any major change happen, they shouldn't be done and/or are pointless?

"Every grand journey begins with but a small step"
Because getting to buy a game in a store that barely has like 1% of all the revenue in pc gaming (which is already a fraction of the gaming scene overall) is going to solve major sociopolitical problems, right?

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dycaite: Because that would be the cowardly way out and I am not like GOG. We must make our voices heard on this or things will only get worse.
good idea. let's protest by giving money to chinese hardware dvelopers (whose product you're using to type these things) and chinese companies who own western developers (like tencent, who are here via paradox and others).
Posted December 27, 2020
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This specious argument has already been debunked numerous times, in particular in the first post of this thread:
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Turbo-Beaver: It's one thing to buy from China. It's another thing to let China determine who you can buy from.

The former is fine. The latter puts anyone who agrees to it in a subordinate position.
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Turbo-Beaver: Disney's very own Winnie-the-Pooh hasn't been banned worldwide, despite the company's huge presence in China.
As long as you can play a game banned in China on hardware made in China, this is a false equivalency, and repeating it doesn't make it any less false.
Post edited December 27, 2020 by Turbo-Beaver
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